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Old 09-04-2013, 01:16 AM   #11
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dont get so happy...

the vortex magnifier is not very good at all. field of view is very much like taking the insides of an inkpen out and trying to look through that. the fish eye effect is simply aweful.

its one of the few vortex products that really is terrible.

i have one so im speaking from experience

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dont get so happy...

the vortex magnifier is not very good at all. field of view is very much like taking the insides of an inkpen out and trying to look through that. the fish eye effect is simply aweful.

its one of the few vortex products that really is terrible.

i have one so im speaking from experience

Not to question your experience, but there are quite a few good reviews out there on it.


Just a question, you do not happen to have an astigmatism do you? I have found with some clients in my line of work if their astigmatism is "against the rule" as it is called, they tend to have distortion issues looking through certain optics. The fish eye effect you describe is almost word for word what I have had another client describe.

Again not trying to discredit you, just curious, as looking around for the last 15 min so I have not seen a poor review.

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Utg makes a good inexpensive fts magnifier. Works well with the eotech.
I'd take Jon's experience over random reviews.

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Honestly, if you are getting a magnifier, just get a 1-4x or 6x. They are just as light, almost as fast at 1x, and if you choose carefully will have a much better eyebox at full power. Its all about getting the fastest sight picture so you can take a shot.

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Right now, Bushnell has a great AR Scope out. It's a 1x4 with either Illuminated Reticle or without Illuminated Reticle. The IR will be the "Throw-Down" Model. It has a Rod that you can use to quickly change from one zoom to another. It's getting very good reviews on such a new Scope. I understand the Glass is very chrisp, and the Reticle is a Horseshoe design to immediately guide the Eye, with a Dot in center.
Walmarts in area is selling either the IR Model, and some Wally's are selling the non-Illuminated Model, so you might want to look around. It goes from $250 to $297 depending on what Model. WalMart (sometimes) will also Price Match even from an Internet Site if you find it cheaper.
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Sorry but I couldn't disagree more than to put a cheap scope on any rifle. I have seen to many fail both on the range and in the field. Cheap $200 scopes do not have the resolution, clarity, lack of chromatic aberration durability, accurate tracking, quality turrets and reliability that the more expensive scopes have. I have seen Tasco, Barfka, Simmons. NCStar BSA scope fail the first time they were at the range in my many years of shooting both at the range and in the field. You can find the new Weaver line, the Bushnell Elite line for a few dollars more and have a decent scope. One doesn't have to buy a Vortex Razor, Nightforce, USO, Schmidt and Bender, Hensoldt, Premier and the like unless they require scopes that will be used under extreme conditions. You get what you pay for in an optic. There is an old saying "The cheap comes out expensive" that couldn't be more true than when buying a cheap scope.

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Sorry but I couldn't disagree more than to put a cheap scope on any rifle. I have seen to many fail both on the range and in the field. Cheap $200 scopes do not have the resolution, clarity, lack of chromatic aberration durability, accurate tracking, quality turrets and reliability that the more expensive scopes have. I have seen Tasco, Barfka, Simmons. NCStar BSA scope fail the first time they were at the range in my many years of shooting both at the range and in the field. You can find the new Weaver line, the Bushnell Elite line for a few dollars more and have a decent scope. One doesn't have to buy a Vortex Razor, Nightforce, USO, Schmidt and Bender, Hensoldt, Premier and the like unless they require scopes that will be used under extreme conditions. You get what you pay for in an optic. There is an old saying "The cheap comes out expensive" that couldn't be more true than when buying a cheap scope.
Who are you disagreeing with? I must have missed the post.
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Lots of good discussion here guys, thanks for all the information. I feel like I need to explain my self a little more.

I have a $550 budget, whether I buy a magnifier, or a scope and riser/mount is really my question. I like the G33, and there does seem to be other magnifier options, but I can not help but wonder if, by using a magnifier, I may miss out something that the scope would provide or do better. To me it seems the scope is designed for the long shots, and the magnifier, is secondary, is there something lost in that equipment difference?

I may just end up doing a scope and riser/mount. Come April I am getting a Savage 30-06, I may look into doing something where I can switch the scope between the two of them. Going with what Sniper was saying I am sure I will have to re-zero, but April is still pretty far off to decide anything yet.

My earlier comment about a $200 scope was incidental based on the fact that what ever optic set up I choose, if I spend less than $550, I can have extra funds for other gear I have been looking at.

@JonM - is there any particular nikon m223 you would recommend? There seems to be quite the spread of options.

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I have a Nikon ProStaff 2-7x32 on my range rifle. I really only use it to shoot 50-200yds (mostly 100), so it works fine. I think I paid $150 from Midway a few months back. No issues so far.

I also have one of those Primary Arms 3X magnifiers that came free when I bought an EoTech a few months back. It's still new in the package, and I'd probably make you a killer deal on it...but generally I think you'd be better served hunting with a decent magnified scope.

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I bought a Nikon Monarch African 1-4X20 and its a great scope .I did buy it used from a guy that had it for a month and decided he wanted a red dot instead . I paid $250 for it with the forward mount . Its crystal clear and more than gets the job done at 400 yards . yet on 1X its very quick to get on target with both eyes open

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