Just a little side note here. I was over at the LGS today, they have that WMD total NiB plated AR for sale. The pin is made to such a tight tolerance we were having a bit of trouble opening her up. Grabbed a Hornaday Zombie max .223 round since it has the plastic tip to avoid marring the finish. With basically little to no force, the round fell into the casing, and spilled out some powder. Now, I know you'll say don't use a round to push the pins, but it was the softest thing after a quick glance around. The amount of force it took to make that head slip into the case was so little, I'm surprised the dam things don't cave in on themselves just during the act of being chambered. I guess I expected more from Hornaday then that for the prices they charge......at least a crimp that can hold up if nothing else.