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Georgiahunter 09-10-2011 07:37 PM

Ar-15
 
What can I expect too pay for a new Ar15 in .223 with no mods. (just iron sights)

bkt 09-10-2011 07:40 PM

Between $700 and $1800 (or more) depending on what model you buy and where you buy it.

Many people here buy an upper from one source, a stripped lower from another source, a lower parts kit, a buffer and stock and put it all together. It's pretty easy and saves money.

mjkeat 09-10-2011 08:37 PM

Purchasing a complete upper then putting it on top of a lower you have assembled yourself will save you the 11% tax.

I'd look for an AR in 5.56 rather than .223. You'll still be able to use .223 but also 5.56.

You can get a nice Spikes Tactical for around $800 or do the above w/ a PSA upper and on a separate ticket get one of their lowers and lower build kits for an excellent value.

bushyspikemaster 09-17-2011 04:30 PM

i just built one for the first time and i got my for around 800 but californias tax brought it to 898.00 but i got a spikes tactical lower and a bushmaster m4a3 6.8spc upper with cmmg parts kit and dpms stock all brand new and all the ars that were already together cost more than 1200 with the basic 223 so id say its cheaper to build it your self but iam not 100 percent sure cuz i am new to the ar 15 world and didnt relly shop around

Gloves 09-18-2011 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjkeat (Post 578096)
I'd look for an AR in 5.56 rather than .223. You'll still be able to use .223 but also 5.56.

Mine does 5.56 but i'm wondering if I should really care.
There are a lot of .223 loads and what exactly is the power difference?

jjfuller1 09-18-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gloves (Post 582122)
Mine does 5.56 but i'm wondering if I should really care.
There are a lot of .223 loads and what exactly is the power difference?

the differences are small. but its all about pressure. the .223 casing is thinner brass than the 5.56. so shooting the 5.56 in a . 223 only chamber can cause it to crack and or explode because its not capable of sustaining the higher pressures. but the 5.56 chamber is made to handle either.


as far as the first post. i paid 900 even for my stag model 4. which is the generic, iron sights 20 in barrel. i saw a carbine one for 800 yesterday. stag also come with lifetime warrenties

Sniper03 09-18-2011 01:10 PM

Gloves,

Not to worry! Most all of the AR-15s in the market place today are chambered for 5.56 NATO. As stated, you can shoot the 223 ammunition in and AR that has the 5.56 or the Wylde Chamber. Do not shoot 5.56 in a true 223 Remington chambered rifle. The 5.56 also has higher chamber pressure and also a longer throat in the chamber. If you see the Wylde chamber listed in some catalogs regarding some of the Varmint and Target Models, Bill Wylde revised the 5.56 chamber slightly for match shooting. It will handle both the 5.56 NATO and 223 ammunition with no problem.

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mjkeat 09-18-2011 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gloves (Post 582122)
Mine does 5.56 but i'm wondering if I should really care.
There are a lot of .223 loads and what exactly is the power difference?

Looks like your question has been answered.

Gloves 09-18-2011 05:55 PM

Sniper, Higher chamber pressure to me means there is more power behind the 5.56 than the .223? It sounds like the 5.56 is the magnum version of the .223.

In any case, if there were 2 otherwise identical rifles, one in .223 and one in 5.56, how much more would you pay to get the 5.56?

I'm not sure I would pay more than $25 for the 5.56 rating.

*goes and does some quick research*

OK! Maybe I am willing to pay a little more for a 5.56 gun because it is designed for better accuracy.

SAAMI:
"NATO chambers have a long leade1. SAAMI chambers are tighter and have a short leade. SAAMI chambers are designed for increased accuracy, but will yield dangerously high pressures in guns using military ammunition and/or which are subject to high volume shooting. Under such high pressures, a primer may back out completely, drop into the action and cause the firearm to stop working."


Does this mean, in my 5.56 Spikes AR-15 that I should get better accuracy if I use 5.56 ammo instead of .223?


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