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broke-again124 05-22-2012 03:46 PM

Aimpoints straight talk.
 
Okay, I'm goin to buy an Aimpoint or an ACOG by Trijicon sometime in the next month and need some questions answered. Assuming money's no object what are the advantages of the CompM4 over the Aimpoint T1 or H1? Which would you buy for your SHTF rifle and why? Or the ACOG? What are the real advantages of each? I don't understand how there could be a difference other than weight with the Aimpoints. Could someone enlighten me please?

EW1066 05-22-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by broke-again124 (Post 810674)
Okay, I'm goin to buy an Aimpoint or an ACOG by Trijicon sometime in the next month and need some questions answered. Assuming money's no object what are the advantages of the CompM4 over the Aimpoint T1 or H1? Which would you buy for your SHTF rifle and why? Or the ACOG? What are the real advantages of each? I don't understand how there could be a difference other than weight with the Aimpoints. Could someone enlighten me please?

They are different and therefore each has advantages over the other. The ACOG is a 4x magnified optic. The Aimpoint is a red dot sight. With the ACOG you will able to acquire targets at a longer range. The Aimpoint will get you on target faster but can make it more difficult to hit targets at long range depending on your eyesight.

The comp m4 is physically larger but has a 2 moa dot. The Micro H1 and T1 have 4 moa dots. Aimpoint had the H2 at shot show, it has a 2 moa dot. The ACOG has several different etched reticles available. The one I have seen the most is the chevron ^ .

Aimpoints have a battery life that is ridiculously long. You can leave them turned on for a year or more so it's always ready to employ. Which is great when things go bump in the night.

The ACOG is illuminated by ambient light via fiber optic light tube on top of the optic. No batteries required No batteries to fail or replace. ACOG does now offer a battery powered illuminated reticle, but I'm not sure if the battery life is on par with Aimpoint.


If this is a home defense weapon, get the aimpoint. It's not easy to acquire targets at close range with a magnified optic and light conditions may not always favor the ACOG

Determine what you are going to use it for and go from there.

You are about to drop a nice chunk of cash on an optic. I would recommend you try before you buy if that is possible for you.


EDUB

drew661 05-22-2012 04:18 PM

If you are thinking long term SHTF optic the CM4 uses a AA battery. So you would be able to charge or scavenge batteries easier. The one disadvantage I found to it was the size. When I installed a magnifier I no longer had room for a BUIS and needed to purchase a low profile one.

JonM 05-22-2012 04:37 PM

I chose the acog over aimpoint. Aimpoints are tough which can be subjective. I called in an expert i trust who was a commander of troops for two tours in iraq. His opinion which is valid only to me was he saw more breakage of aimpoints and eotechs than acogs. Since those items got reported to him when his troops broke things i take his word for it.

Advantages to me is the acog uses no batteries and the reticle adjusts automatically to ambient light or lack of it. Aimpoints have to be manually adjusted.

Aimpoints can be left on at lower settings for years but having to fiddle with the rheostat in some light conditions is a negative to me.

Lack of good magnification is a huge minus to me if you do go rds size of the dot has issues. Too small difficult to pick up fast. Too big covers the target at longer ranges making long shots iffy at best.

Acog negatives weight, they weigh a little more but springing for a good mount reduces that. It takes some training to use effectively in a cqb situation. However if the target is really close you dont need sights much anyway. 4x optics on the acog will get you out to 800yds with its functional easy to use rangefinder and bdc in some models.

Mine is the ta31f-g with green chevron and dual illumination. I skipped on the rco cuz they only came in red.

Most people see rds dots as oblongs or blurry due to astigmatism. If you dont have perfect vision aimpoints can be really difficult to get accurate hits at longer ranges.

Even if the tritium poofs on my acog it still works in most lighting conditions. When 2022 roles around im going to have the tritium in mine redone

Since none of these options are cheap i would strongly recomend making an effort to see what your buying in person.

I can tell you my beliefs and experiences with optics but the things i prefer and think are valuable in a gunsight are likely not to match yours

BenLuby 05-22-2012 05:21 PM

While I like the Acogs, the price really kicks up the pucker factor.

Chandler51 05-22-2012 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EW1066

They are different and therefore each has advantages over the other. The ACOG is a 4x magnified optic. The Aimpoint is a red dot sight. With the ACOG you will able to acquire targets at a longer range. The Aimpoint will get you on target faster but can make it more difficult to hit targets at long range depending on your eyesight.

The comp m4 is physically larger but has a 2 moa dot. The Micro H1 and T1 have 4 moa dots. Aimpoint had the H2 at shot show, it has a 2 moa dot. The ACOG has several different etched reticles available. The one I have seen the most is the chevron ^ .

Aimpoints have a battery life that is ridiculously long. You can leave them turned on for a year or more so it's always ready to employ. Which is great when things go bump in the night.

The ACOG is illuminated by ambient light via fiber optic light tube on top of the optic. No batteries required No batteries to fail or replace. ACOG does now offer a battery powered illuminated reticle, but I'm not sure if the battery life is on par with Aimpoint.

If this is a home defense weapon, get the aimpoint. It's not easy to acquire targets at close range with a magnified optic and light conditions may not always favor the ACOG

Determine what you are going to use it for and go from there.

You are about to drop a nice chunk of cash on an optic. I would recommend you try before you buy if that is possible for you.

EDUB

The ACOG uses tritium for low or no light situations. During the day, the brighter the ambient light, the brighter the reticle, as it is fed by fiber optic.

There would be no scenario I can imagine where the Aimpoint would outperform the ACOG due to "light conditions".

AgentTikki 05-22-2012 06:39 PM

Except maybe 7+ years from now.

AgentTikki 05-22-2012 06:43 PM

Trituim is a finite resource, but the fiber optic portion is indefinite.

Non magnified red dots are faster. Magnified is better at range. Bothe are great optics but you jeed to decide for yourself when one u need.

broke-again124 05-22-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AgentTikki
Trituim is a finite resource, but the fiber optic portion is indefinite.

Non magnified red dots are faster. Magnified is better at range. Bothe are great optics but you jeed to decide for yourself when one u need.

I won't be shooting past 300-350m. Does that help? I'm looking at the PRO by Aimpoint now. For the price it looks hard to beat. I don't see what would warrant an extra $400 almost for a compM4. Do you guys? Any input?

frostyone 05-22-2012 08:44 PM

The aimpoint T-1/H-1 do come in 2 moa. I have one and love it. Very fast at close range but I have still been able to hit targets at 300 yards. It's extremely light weight with the mount. With it on a middle brightness setting the battery will last 5+ years being on 24/7. I do most of my shooting under 100 yards which is why I chose no magnification.


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