458 SOCOM vs. 7.62 NATO
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion > AR-15 Discussion > 458 SOCOM vs. 7.62 NATO

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-05-2011, 12:25 AM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 132
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default 458 SOCOM vs. 7.62 NATO

Which would have more stopping power?

__________________
PeteZaHut is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 04-05-2011, 12:43 AM   #2
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
WoodysKJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Louisville,Kentucky
Posts: 250
Default

The one that is well placed in the vital organs. 22 lr is VERY deadly IF the shot is placed in the right spot.

__________________
WoodysKJ is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 01:43 AM   #3
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 132
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodysKJ View Post
The one that is well placed in the vital organs. 22 lr is VERY deadly IF the shot is placed in the right spot.
ok, what about the bullet in itself, regardless of shot placement
__________________
PeteZaHut is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 02:15 AM   #4
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 17,923
Liked 5923 Times on 3093 Posts
Likes Given: 418

Default

ive got both. inside 200yds definately 458socom is the harder hitting round. 200+ 308

__________________

"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." — L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

JonM is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-05-2011, 02:19 AM   #5
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
canebrake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 150 miles NE of Sloppy Joe's Bar
Posts: 21,941
Liked 1423 Times on 808 Posts
Likes Given: 1290

Default

With my eyes, the 458 hands down!

__________________
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...brake02jpg.jpg

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/...ps18cfbeae.jpg

Get her dirty, then clean her so she starts to respect you. When her trust is complete, she will serve you well for a lifetime!

"...if doves shot back, there wouldn't be a need for a bag limit."
- orangello
canebrake is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2011, 05:39 AM   #6
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Ruzai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: North-west Louisiana
Posts: 546
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

At close range (within 200 yards) depending on the bullet used the 458 will dump most, if not all, of its kinetic energy in the medum its shot into. Kinetic energy pretty much equals out to how much thump the target, say a hungry grizzly, initially feels, any internal and vital organs hit will pretty much be paste when hit with any rifle cartridge.
The 7.62x51 NATO is better for longer distances but has much more penetration than the 458 Socom due to its diameter and usual spitzer style of bullet.
I love the 7.62x51 NATO for its large kinetic energy down range and its wide availability.
The 458 Socom in a small light package like the AR-15 makes a great trail gun, but the availability of the ammo is scarse but slowly growing. Some refer to the 458 Socom as the modern version of the 45-70 Gov't.
The actual ballistics of the two are on opposite ends of the spectrum and can be hard to compare as they are used for different applications.

__________________

I'm already surrounded by half-dead brainless people already, the zombie apocalypse would just give me a reason to be productive and get rid of them.

Ruzai is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2011, 06:22 PM   #7
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 659
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default

That depends entirely on bullet construction. There are .30-cal bullets designed to penetrate deep into big game, and there are those designed to fragment within several inches. Most .458 bullets will be designed for very deep penetration for the .45-70, ESPECIALLY the round-nosed bullets that will be used for any military purposes. Those will probably penetrate for days.

Energy itself is kindof meaningless. Relative bullet mass, bullet construction, and velocity are really what's require to make any accurate estimations of terminal performance. Now, with those things you can calculate energy, but again calculating energy won't tell you anything about the type of wound the bullet will likely produce.

With the right bullets for a given job, though, I'd still probably go with the .308.

__________________
Lindenwood is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2011, 06:32 PM   #8
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
dog2000tj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 8,309
Liked 3736 Times on 1825 Posts
Likes Given: 13270

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteZaHut View Post
Which would have more stopping power?
Depending on the range to target - under 200yds I'll go with AR458. Over 200yds and it's the AR10.
__________________

Member: NRA GOA

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Est sularas oth mithas

"either way, you were guilty by association, so you were smited...." JD

dog2000tj is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 06:56 AM   #9
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Ruzai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: North-west Louisiana
Posts: 546
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindenwood View Post
That depends entirely on bullet construction. There are .30-cal bullets designed to penetrate deep into big game, and there are those designed to fragment within several inches. Most .458 bullets will be designed for very deep penetration for the .45-70, ESPECIALLY the round-nosed bullets that will be used for any military purposes. Those will probably penetrate for days.

Energy itself is kindof meaningless. Relative bullet mass, bullet construction, and velocity are really what's require to make any accurate estimations of terminal performance. Now, with those things you can calculate energy, but again calculating energy won't tell you anything about the type of wound the bullet will likely produce.

With the right bullets for a given job, though, I'd still probably go with the .308.
Like you stated energy will tell you what type of wound the bullet will make, the bigger the wound the better the stopping power. I was speaking mainly about typical economical ammo for both calibers. Frangible rounds are fun to mess with but can be costly depending on where you get them and most of the time they are for law enforcement and close range steel shooting, so not typically in high demand.
I agree that all aspects of the cartridge is important to know what the desired effect is going to be. The .7.62x51 NATO has been around for so long in mainstream shooting that there are so many bullet types and loads that you can pretty much get ammo for any situation.
__________________

I'm already surrounded by half-dead brainless people already, the zombie apocalypse would just give me a reason to be productive and get rid of them.

Ruzai is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2011, 01:02 PM   #10
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 17,923
Liked 5923 Times on 3093 Posts
Likes Given: 418

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruzai View Post
Like you stated energy will tell you what type of wound the bullet will make, the bigger the wound the better the stopping power. I was speaking mainly about typical economical ammo for both calibers. Frangible rounds are fun to mess with but can be costly depending on where you get them and most of the time they are for law enforcement and close range steel shooting, so not typically in high demand.
I agree that all aspects of the cartridge is important to know what the desired effect is going to be. The .7.62x51 NATO has been around for so long in mainstream shooting that there are so many bullet types and loads that you can pretty much get ammo for any situation.
based on what you just said. you dont want the socom. the 458 socom is pretty much a reloader only round. shelf ammo when you canfind it is incredibly expensive. while there is a HUGE range of .458 bullets to choose from that versatility is pretty much limited to reloaders.
__________________

"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." — L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

JonM is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
C.A.I. C93 5.56 NATO Rifle (HK 33 Clone) ARnoob Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion 8 01-26-2012 02:09 AM
5.56 NATO vs .223 Remington rcted Ammunition & Reloading 15 01-26-2010 06:14 PM
.223/5.56 Nato opaww General Rifle Discussion 7 07-19-2008 11:28 AM
smle in 7.62 nato herp_man2003 General Rifle Discussion 3 02-22-2008 05:48 AM
.308 v 7.62 mm nato hi by the way i am dogger dogger AK & SKS Discussion 2 01-05-2008 05:28 PM



Newest Threads