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Old 07-08-2012, 10:08 PM   #11
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... I will start with full disclosure. I don't like the AK and or any of the items associated with it and that includes the M43 round. This is personal with me and doesn't mean that there isn't many good qualities to that stuff, but not for me. Anything that me or mine was shot at with is not for me...
A couple of really excellent posts, oldpapps!

I also was shot at with the 7.62x39 in Vietnam but today have an AK and SKS. Have a buddy who feels like you and flat out wouldn't go shooting with me if I were to bring one along so I honor his wishes of course. To each his own, we all handle these things differently.
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A couple of really excellent posts, oldpapps!

I also was shot at with the 7.62x39 in Vietnam but today have an AK and SKS. Have a buddy who feels like you and flat out wouldn't go shooting with me if I were to bring one along so I honor his wishes of course. To each his own, we all handle these things differently.
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Of the two I would say the .308 is going to be more expensive to get into, but cheaper to shoot. The .300 is going to be cheaper to get into, but will be expensive to shoot and in the event of needing to get ammo for it, much-much harder if you are not set up to bang out 1,000 rounds in the garage on a weekday night for an upcoming weekend range session. JD
This ^^^^^^^

If you don't shoot suppressed, the .300 Blackout is a waste of time. You can argue it is ballistically superior to the .223, but so are most centerfire rifle rounds in production today. With the .308 you are getting a much more powerful round that is avaliable most everywhere. Yes the AR-10 rifles chambered for it are a bit heavier, but what you are gaining in the form of ballistics makes it worth it.

The .300 Blackout is the new AR flavor of the week in AR-15 calibers. You can put it into much the same as the 6.5 Grendel, .458 SOCOM, .458 Bushmaster, and about a half dozen others I'm forgetting at the moment. It's only advantage is that it can be made from .223 brass, and that is only if you reload. A .308 AR will deliver better ballistic performance, at not much more cost, and offer a much wider range of factory loads to choose from.
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IMHO, the .300 is much like many other fads.
All the rage today, and laughed at tomorrow.

The 5.56 amd 7.62 will be here long after the .300 is completely forgotten about.

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When I decided on the 300 Blk, it was going to be used for hunting hogs, maybe deer, and slapping coyotes when seen. My distances would be no more that 200 yards so that fit the 300 to a "T".

Another thing not touched on, depending on what goodies you have installed, I believe the 300 is a bit lighter than the 308. Some of the people I hunt with use 308's and they do a fine job but for me, it's the 300 Blk.

Numerous places have ammo available now. 115 gr supers for as low as $10.36 a box and even the subs are down to as low as $17 a box.

And I disagree with locutus, it's not a fad. It never was designed to replace any other caliber, it adds another choice to the many calibers available, plus it adds the perfect option of running suppressed.

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Uhm, 300 BLK is 7.62. 7.62x35 to be precise.

I thought I wanted an AR-10 in .308 for hunting, until I picked one up. I was immediately put off by the weight & length.

I usually hunt creek bottoms like alot of people do in GA. 50 yards is a long shot in that setting. I didn't want something more cumbersome than my .308bolt gun that I already had.

A 9.5" 300 BLK upper was an ideal fit for my application. It should make an easy to maneuver tree stand gun this fall. I've been very happy just shooting supersonic ammo while I save for a suppressor.

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Uhm, 300 BLK is 7.62. 7.62x35 to be precise...
I guess you failed to read X-Mark's earlier post.
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If you don't shoot suppressed, the .300 Blackout is a waste of time.

The .300 Blackout is the new AR flavor of the week in AR-15 calibers. You can put it into much the same as the 6.5 Grendel, .458 SOCOM, .458 Bushmaster, and about a half dozen others I'm forgetting at the moment. It's only advantage is that it can be made from .223 brass, and that is only if you reload..
That is something people say from time to time, but it makes no sense. 300 AAC Blackout is the AR-15 equivalent of the 7.62x39, and can hunt the same stuff as the 30-30. Neither of those cartridges need to be suppressed, and 300 BLK is no different. Suppressor people like it because there is subsonic amo available, but that does not make it any less useful for everyone else who uses normal full power ammunition.

300 BLK has many advantages over those other cartridges. It holds 30 rounds in normal magazines, and ammunition is much cheaper - as low as $8.50 per box:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-AACO102860

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=80261&hilit=group

Brass is 10-13 cents each for reformed, or 25 cents each for new primed Remington:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2923270375/advanced-armament-co-aac-reloading-brass-300-aac-blackout-762x35mm-primed

https://www.facebook.com/300aacblackout

And the bullets expand to 60 caliber at 300 yards, even from a 9 inch barrel!

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/11/barnes-blooms-in-300-aac-blackout/

300 AAC Blackout has as much energy from a 16 inch barrel as 5.56mm from a 24 inch barrel.

It used to be that everyone had a 30-30 lever action. Now everyone has an AR15. Not everyone wants to shoot small varmint bullets. It takes the most popular bullets - 30 cal, and brings them to the AR15 - the most popular rifle.
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IMHO, the .300 is much like many other fads.
All the rage today, and laughed at tomorrow.

The 5.56 amd 7.62 will be here long after the .300 is completely forgotten about.
7.62/308 is great, but it does not work in AR15s - so it is not really viable for a lightweight rifle.

It comes down to 5.56mm or 300 BLK. 5.56mm is cheaper, but 9mm is also cheaper than 45 Auto.

With 45 Auto, you get the larger bullet but give up magazine capacity. With 300 BLK, you get the larger bullet with the same capacity as 5.56mm.
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Not everyone wants to shoot small varmint bullets. It takes the most popular bullets - 30 cal, and brings them to the AR15 - the most popular rifle.
No matter how you cut the cake, the .300 Blackout is a low velocity, short range, .30 caliber cartridge. One only has to look at it's case capacity in relationship to bullet weight. It's next to nothing. With heavy bullets it has the trajectory of a rainbow. The .300 Blackout is nothing more than an attempt to make an AK-47 out of an AR-15. If you want a .30 caliber AR rifle, you can have it in the AR-10 in .308. Which is the round Stoner originally designed it for. If you want a 7.62 X 39 in an AR-15, Rock River Arms makes one that takes inexpensive AK-47 magazines that you can by as, or more cheaply than AR mags.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 558

Ammo is far cheaper, and can be had virtually world wide.
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