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Shihan 12-11-2010 04:23 PM

.22 Conversion vs. Dedicated
 
Is it worth spending $150 for a conversion kit for the AR or should I just get a dedicated .22 Platform for approx. $400?
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_i...od/ARR-059.jpghttp://rockypointguns.com/imagesprod...dswmprifle.jpg

Anyone with experience on either?

MrMilspecer 12-11-2010 04:33 PM

After having both I like the dedicated upper. You will have the proper 1-16 twist barrel, no worries about fouling your gas system, better accuracy. But then youll want to build a lower for it and theres another $250. My CMMG bolt conversion did work well and could get around 1'' groups at 25 yards with the right ammo.

CHLChris 12-11-2010 05:28 PM

You can get a Colt M4-styled .22lr AR platform for, like, $500 at Big-5. The most recent issue of the NRA magazine American Rifleman (which anyone can read online) reviewed the new lineup of popular .22 "tactical" rifles.

russ 12-11-2010 06:03 PM

I have a CMMG M4 profile dedicated upper that works with a mil-spec lower. I paid $325 for it without any magazines. So you're looking at roughly double what the drop-in conversion costs. In my case, I had an extra complete lower laying around (don't ask) and it made sense at the time. But, in the black friday ads I saw either Cabela's or Sportsman's advertising the Sig 522 with an extra 20" target barrel for just over $400. If I didn't already have my setup, I'd have been on that like a fat kid on cake. My dad has the S&W M&P 15-22 and it is nice. It's light since the upper and lower are composite, but it's definitely ammo picky where my CMMG is not. But for around $400 you get a complete rifle.

Really there are tons of .22lr options out there right now. CMMG is making a bunch of different configurations of dedicated uppers and complete rifles. I wish I'd waited a little longer on mine as they just came out with a 20" government profile that looks cool as the backside of your pillow.

Mine:
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/...t1630-2621.jpg

Gub'mint profile:
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/...e1661-2712.jpg

mjkeat 12-11-2010 06:46 PM

[QUOTE=russ;401226]I have a CMMG M4 profile dedicated upper that works with a mil-spec lower. I paid $325 for it without any magazines. So you're looking at roughly double what the drop-in conversion costs. In my case, I had an extra complete lower laying around (don't ask) and it made sense at the time. But, in the black friday ads I saw either Cabela's or Sportsman's advertising the Sig 522 with an extra 20" target barrel for just over $400. If I didn't already have my setup, I'd have been on that like a fat kid on cake. My dad has the S&W M&P 15-22 and it is nice. It's light since the upper and lower are composite, but it's definitely ammo picky where my CMMG is not. But for around $400 you get a complete rifle.

Really there are tons of .22lr options out there right now. CMMG is making a bunch of different configurations of dedicated uppers and complete rifles. I wish I'd waited a little longer on mine as they just came out with a 20" government profile that looks cool as the backside of your pillow.

Mine:
http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/...t1630-2621.jpg



I just ordered the CMMG dedicated upper like the one pictured. Figured w/ the extra lowers I have sitting around I would get a dedicated up. Lets hear some inside info on it, please.

As far as the Colt .22 rifles Ive heard bad things about them. They are actually made by an airsoft company.

Ive read Spikes makes on of the best dedicated .22lr's on the market.

russ 12-11-2010 07:39 PM

I'm a big fan of CMMG, and I make no attempt to hide it. All of my lowers on all four AR's are from CMMG. The Spike's and ATI dedicated uppers are way more expensive than the CMMG stuff, and I don't really know why. I've also heard some unhappy reviews of the Colt/Umarex .22 stuff, but have no first hand experience. So far my CMMG upper has been perfect, the only issue was mag related when I tried to over-load the mag and it didn't feed correctly. As soon as I figured out what the problem was, it has been fine. Fit and finish is on par with their full caliber AR stuff, no short cuts just because it's a .22. I don't know what else to say, do you have a specific question about it mjkeat?

dog2000tj 12-11-2010 07:41 PM

I had actually intended on using the engraved lower for just that - as a dedicated .22lr. But now I've got an idea kicking around my head and my .22lr plans have taken a whole new direction. ;)

I had thought about getting one of the conversions but ultimately settled against it. I figured when all the costs were added up a dedicated AR in .22lr was not so much more that I couldn't afford it.

canebrake 12-11-2010 08:01 PM

Dedicated, hands down!

And get it with a pink Ergo grip like my daughter's Colt Operator.

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...DSCF1429-2.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...DSCF1419-1.jpg

Quentin 12-11-2010 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjkeat (Post 401251)
...As far as the Colt .22 rifles Ive heard bad things about them. They are actually made by an airsoft company...

There were teething problems with the first Colt and S&W .22LR AR lookalikes but that shouldn't be a problem anymore. My Colt (actually made by Walther) M4 .22 shoots great and I hear the same goes for S&W. I'm very happy with the Colt plus it looks a lot like a real M4. Same weight too.

Seems like there's a lot of hate for the Colt but people who actually have them tend to love them. I'm keeping mine.

Umarex is the importer and their customer support is quite good. They sent me a taller front sight post that I needed when putting on a milspec height rear sight - for free.

Bet your daughter loves hers, Cane! Nice upgrade!

mjkeat 12-11-2010 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russ (Post 401273)
I'm a big fan of CMMG, and I make no attempt to hide it. All of my lowers on all four AR's are from CMMG. The Spike's and ATI dedicated uppers are way more expensive than the CMMG stuff, and I don't really know why. I've also heard some unhappy reviews of the Colt/Umarex .22 stuff, but have no first hand experience. So far my CMMG upper has been perfect, the only issue was mag related when I tried to over-load the mag and it didn't feed correctly. As soon as I figured out what the problem was, it has been fine. Fit and finish is on par with their full caliber AR stuff, no short cuts just because it's a .22. I don't know what else to say, do you have a specific question about it mjkeat?

Is it finicky about ammo?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin (Post 401356)
There were teething problems with the first Colt and S&W .22LR AR lookalikes but that shouldn't be a problem anymore. My Colt (actually made by Walther) M4 .22 shoots great and I hear the same goes for S&W. I'm very happy with the Colt plus it looks a lot like a real M4. Same weight too.

Seems like there's a lot of hate for the Colt but people who actually have them tend to love them. I'm keeping mine.

Umarex is the importer and their customer support is quite good. They sent me a taller front sight post that I needed when putting on a milspec height rear sight - for free.

Bet your daughter loves hers, Cane! Nice upgrade!

I may have recieved biased information. Thats unfortunate because I really liked the looks of the Colt.


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