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Old 04-18-2014, 10:13 PM   #21
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The terminology is chaotic and counterintuitive. But that's what we've got. Our fathers made the crucial mistake of adopting of translating "assault rifle" from the German. We've been paying the price ever since.

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We can say the same thing about the caliber.It all about the performance of the weapon and how it is used on the field.People that say that the M92 is actually a carbine base their opinion on the fact that it is chambered in 7,62x39, which is a rifle caliber(intermediate round, usually not used in SMGs).
But...guess what?There are rifle that are chambered in pistol calibers and viceversa.
Would you call "rifle" the weapon below(It's a derivative of the SMLE rifle)?


Actually, the weapon below is a PISTOL.Why is it a pistol if the weapon is chambered in a rifle cartridge?Because it performs and was designed as a PISTOL.

So is the M92 a SMG or a Carbine?It is mainly a SMG that have several carbine-like features(Including the caliber).
Wow.. that THING is real? It's certain in a class by itself!
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The terminology is chaotic and counterintuitive. But that's what we've got. Our fathers made the crucial mistake of adopting of translating "assault rifle" from the German. We've been paying the price ever since.
Agreed. The classification terminology method changes between different countries. As assault rifle in today's language is "used for assaulting people" which implies that its only purpose is for committing crimes, as opposed to the most probable original meaning "for use in the assault or counter-assault phase of a battle". Maybe "Sturmgewehr" (storm-rifle) was the name chosen purely for propaganda reasons, and has no real meaning after all, and was chosen only because it sounds impressive. Perhaps only Hitler knows.
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Agreed. The classification terminology method changes between different countries. As assault rifle in today's language is "used for assaulting people" which implies that its only purpose is for committing crimes, as opposed to the most probable original meaning "for use in the assault or counter-assault phase of a battle". Maybe "Sturmgewehr" (storm-rifle) was the name chosen purely for propaganda reasons, and has no real meaning after all, and was chosen only because it sounds impressive. Perhaps only Hitler knows.
Agreed twice.There are many examples where the weapons changed their initial designation/definitions.Just to mention some of them:
-Zastava M48:actually it is a carbine,but considered by many as a rifle
-HK G3:actually a battle rifle, but it was considered as an assault rifle by the Bundeswehr(german army)
-FN Fal:Actually a battle rifle, considered as an assault rifle by BOPE and used in this role to clear favelas(Bope is equipped with both the 7,62 and the imbel 5,56 variant even nowadays).


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Wow.. that THING is real? It's certain in a class by itself!
Yes,it is.As you may know, since the beginning of WW2 and even after war, many custom weapons were built.Some of them are based on well-known already existing weapons.Weapons like integraly silenced SMLE rifles(chambered in .45 ACP), mosin-nagant pistols, Mauser k98k with foldable stock(G 33/40), Mauset C 96 with detachable mags,... appeared on the scene
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Mine is an SBR because it is semi-auto only, and a select fire original should properly be classified as a short barreled assault rifle. Maybe a new classification such as compact assault rifle perhaps?

Compact defensive rifle I think is a better term! Lol.
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Compact defensive rifle I think is a better term! Lol.
Its true. It actually exists, coined by FN for their P90 bullpup as PDW =personal defense weapon. I see my Beretta Storm 45 ACP carbine as just that, in semiauto of course.
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Ya we have some of the hi-points in each caliber and they are fun to shoot. Plus pistol calibers are good for close range.

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That's why it is so controversial: The 7.62x39 is not a common caliber for a SMG!But guess what?Even Zastava arms defines it as a SMG-as many other professionals do.Anyway, thanks for taking part to the discussion!
I don't know of an "professionals" who would place any arm chambered iin 7.62 X 39 is the SMG category. Maybe CoD "professionals". One of the primary characteristics of an SMG is PISTOL caliber.
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I don't know of an "professionals" who would place any arm chambered iin 7.62 X 39 is the SMG category. Maybe CoD "professionals". One of the primary characteristics of an SMG is PISTOL caliber.
He was referring to Yugoslavia. In Serbo-Croatian it is "automatska puska" in any caliber. With your privileges you may be able to locate him, but I think he is gone.
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