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Old 12-29-2013, 04:49 PM   #11
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None of them are serious rifles by today's standards. They are an outdated design (flame on). WTS the original is probably "best". The Romanian and Albanian being close second. I like the Yugo the least because of the lack of chrome bore/chamber/gas system. The Norinco is in a different class. They are not Mil-Surp, but rather commercial copies. I have two Norinco's and they work. They are just shooters and they shoot well.
Outdated....yes under many aspect.Maybe because nobody worked on them.In my opinion, the have great potential, but they need some extra work to achieve it(proper trigger job, welded picattiny rails, acceptance of detach. mags,etc).The sks platform is very good and phrone to customization and with only some mods you can turn it into several weapons pretty quickly(battle rifle, assault weapon, assault rifle, machine gun and marksman rifle)-within seconds.But you have to work on them

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Outdated....yes under many aspect.Maybe because nobody worked on them.In my opinion, the have great potential, but they need some extra work to achieve it(proper trigger job, welded picattiny rails, acceptance of detach. mags,etc).The sks platform is very good and phrone to customization and with only some mods you can turn it into several weapons pretty quickly(battle rifle, assault weapon, assault rifle, machine gun and marksman rifle)-within seconds.But you have to work on them

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All things you don't need with a good AK. It has an optics rail. The trigger is light and smooth if you have a double hook. Some models have folding stocks so if you work in or around vehicles it's easier to use.

I'm not sure why you'd choose a 10 round fixed magazine rifle to turn into a machine gun, but more importantly unless you're looking to spend serious time in the federal slam it's not a particularly good idea.

As a general purpose battle rifle, I'd choose a SCAR-H or even an AK over the SKS any day of the week. The SKS doesn't do anything the AK doesn't do and the cost of the SKS has risen substantially.

Marksman's rifle? Really? A cheap hunting rifle from Academy is going to better at that.

Modern assault rifles generally have detachable magazines and lighter ammunition, like the AK-74 and AR-15. I wouldn't hold your breath on the Russians resuming production of the SKS. It was replaced for a reason.

When you try to turn a gun into a Swiss Army knife, it generally does everything poorly.

The SKS is longer than it needs to be, heavier than it needs to be, uses stripper clips, and doesn't have a particularly good optics mounting solution. The iron sights are 19th century technology. So yeah, I guess I don't see it being a particularly good choice for any of that. If it's all you have then it's all you have but there are so many better choices available these days.
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I have a non norinco pre-ban chinese. It's a great shooter.

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All things you don't need with a good AK. It has an optics rail. The trigger is light and smooth if you have a double hook. Some models have folding stocks so if you work in or around vehicles it's easier to use.

I'm not sure why you'd choose a 10 round fixed magazine rifle to turn into a machine gun, but more importantly unless you're looking to spend serious time in the federal slam it's not a particularly good idea.

As a general purpose battle rifle, I'd choose a SCAR-H or even an AK over the SKS any day of the week. The SKS doesn't do anything the AK doesn't do and the cost of the SKS has risen substantially.

Marksman's rifle? Really? A cheap hunting rifle from Academy is going to better at that.

Modern assault rifles generally have detachable magazines and lighter ammunition, like the AK-74 and AR-15. I wouldn't hold your breath on the Russians resuming production of the SKS. It was replaced for a reason.

When you try to turn a gun into a Swiss Army knife, it generally does everything poorly.

The SKS is longer than it needs to be, heavier than it needs to be, uses stripper clips, and doesn't have a particularly good optics mounting solution. The iron sights are 19th century technology. So yeah, I guess I don't see it being a particularly good choice for any of that. If it's all you have then it's all you have but there are so many better choices available these days.
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Well...I was talking about a modified sks,I'll send you some pictures asap, so it will be easier to figure out what I'm talking about(pistol grip added;trigger guard moved;original rear sights removed, new sights placed on the receiver top cover; capabble of accepting det. mags, bayonet removed/replaced by a bipod, sping loaded bolt,etc).

Marksman rifle? Yes, the maximum effective range reached by a 59/66 A1 rifle is a about 800 m and the rifle itself is well known for being very accurate(Personally, I would prefer a7,62 Nato rifle...but trust me, it can kill you anyway).When the trigger group is full-auto, it is capable of exploding cca 800 rds/min.Heavier?Did you know that you can make it much lighter(working directly on several parts, including the furniture the receiver)?Trigger hard to pull?That's why any sks expert would recommend to do the a proper trigger job.It try to prepare a scheme.Anyway, I completely agree with you: it's just a compromise, even if it can be pretty effective.Btw:I wish you a happy new year.

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That's the rifle I'll most probably build.
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1 and point 2:Tech sights and a picattiny rail system.The original rear sights will be removed and replaced with tech sights and a picattiny rail system-I'll modify(cut and file) and weld these two parts toghether, so they'll become a single piece component.
3)A rail sistem on the gas tube.It will be on the gas tube(to make the gas tube removable as in the original design).The rest of the rail system(lower part), will be fixed on the forniture of the rifle(again-to keep the original rifle's dissasembly procedure).
4)Adding a pistol grip to the original trigger group.This will be the hardest part of the work, since I'll have to partially redesign the orinal trigger group by keeping the same fuctionality.This mod will improve the ergonomics and reload time(assuming that the rifle will be able to accept ak mag)
5)The bayonet will be replaced by a foldable bypod.Alternatively, I can just remove the bayonet.

The furniture will be sythetic(polymer), the stock will be side-foldable.A muzzle break or a muzzle-climb limitator can can be added.Extra work will be done on the receiver to make it lighter.

I you're going to askm me if it really worth it, I'll be able to aswer to this question one I'll build it.
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That's the rifle I'll most probably build.

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1 and point 2:Tech sights and a picattiny rail system.The original rear sights will be removed and replaced with tech sights and a picattiny rail system-I'll modify(cut and file) and weld these two parts toghether, so they'll become a single piece component.

3)A rail sistem on the gas tube.It will be on the gas tube(to make the gas tube removable as in the original design).The rest of the rail system(lower part), will be fixed on the forniture of the rifle(again-to keep the original rifle's dissasembly procedure).

4)Adding a pistol grip to the original trigger group.This will be the hardest part of the work, since I'll have to partially redesign the orinal trigger group by keeping the same fuctionality.This mod will improve the ergonomics and reload time(assuming that the rifle will be able to accept ak mag)

5)The bayonet will be replaced by a foldable bypod.Alternatively, I can just remove the bayonet.



The furniture will be sythetic(polymer), the stock will be side-foldable.A muzzle break or a muzzle-climb limitator can can be added.Extra work will be done on the receiver to make it lighter.



I you're going to askm me if it really worth it, I'll be able to aswer to this question one I'll build it.

That actually doesn't seem like a bad build. I do ask one thing, please don't use a military surplus SKS. Use a Norinco SKS, they are chrome lined unlike the Yugo you have pictured, and you don't have to worry about destroying history. Plus you can find Norinco's for cheaper than your milsurp variants.
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That actually doesn't seem like a bad build. I do ask one thing, please don't use a military surplus SKS. Use a Norinco SKS, they are chrome lined unlike the Yugo you have pictured, and you don't have to worry about destroying history. Plus you can find Norinco's for cheaper than your milsurp variants.
That is one of the reasons I started this thread, to figure out where to start from.Personally, I have a crush on the yugos, but I don't like the non-chrome-lined barrels(need more cleaning and service life is shorter).I've seen a similar build in Austria, it worked like a charm!The guy that built it made a great work(the picatinny rails where welded directly on the receiver cover and on the gas tube(integrated rail system), the receiver was milled in several strategical points, resulting in a lighter variant where no solidity/dependability sacrifice was made).An artwork.

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I'm a little late to the party here. Mark I've had an SKS since their hey day in late 80's early 90's an best I can tell you is to get a Chi-Com in great shape buy plenty of stripper clips and ammo and practice. You sound like countless others that are trying to turn a SKS into a AK-47, your running into R-922 issues (having to get TAPCO parts to make it BATFE compliant) and make it run. SKS's can be just as reliable as the AK until you start putting CRAPCO parts on them. A stock SKS may not be tacti-cool but a solid rifle you can bank on. Any mods I'd do (these are NOT 922 issues) to one are listed below

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http://www.kivaari.com/
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http://www.murraysguns.com/poppedprimers.htm

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My Russian SKS would be my favorite, though the Norinco would be the most used (had it longer). Both are great guns. The furthest I've shot the Norinco was 200 yards with open sights...very accurate.

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I'm a little late to the party here. Mark I've had an SKS since their hey day in late 80's early 90's an best I can tell you is to get a Chi-Com in great shape buy plenty of stripper clips and ammo and practice. You sound like countless others that are trying to turn a SKS into a AK-47, your running into R-922 issues (having to get TAPCO parts to make it BATFE compliant) and make it run. SKS's can be just as reliable as the AK until you start putting CRAPCO parts on them. A stock SKS may not be tacti-cool but a solid rifle you can bank on. Any mods I'd do (these are NOT 922 issues) to one are listed below

safe trigger job
http://www.kivaari.com/
safe firing pin
http://www.murraysguns.com/poppedprimers.htm

just looking out for your hard earned dollars
You're not late, you're welcome.To be honest, many people told me tthe same thing you did.I'm not turning a rifle into another rifle, I'm working on a design that was abandoned before it could reach its full potential.The sks is a reliable, easy to operate platform.The rifle strong points are the accuracy, reliability and it's easy to operate and to maintain, the weak points consist mainly in the limited mag capacity, its overal lenght and the ergonomics are not the best.Nobody "really" worked on them, since other platforms took it place.I want to bring its design to a new level....to see if the "grandfather rifle" can compete with the "grandson's rifle"(and for fun).I want to fix the original design's mistakes and to share my ideas with the community(if I'll reach my goals) and to make the "technology" accessible to everyone(the drawings will be available to anyone who might be interested-I decided to redesign the trigger group)

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