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Old 12-18-2013, 08:34 PM   #41
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Sorry - off topic - But what the Russian children should be learning is.... How to eliminate their government officials with those AR's because they are out of their minds...
Why you ask?? In Russia it is illegal to be gay. ??? ce que l'enfer ??? I don't think "this" is a choice some people have at the moment of birth. Everyone knows straight people give birth to all genders types including gay. I hope the 2 openly gay US athletes are safe and make a difference at the Olympics and teach those people a few lessons in humanity.
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You are welcome. You are not the only one who fell for a Soviet/Russian staged show. I did say so instead of clicking my heels and standing on attention. I did not notice what you call "a piece of your past", but if you hold it dear, okay, then there is nothing to discuss. I want to hear opposing views, and don't mind being challenged.
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Sorry - off topic - But what the Russian children should be learning is.... How to eliminate their government officials with those AR's because they are out of their minds...
Why you ask?? In Russia it is illegal to be gay. ??? ce que l'enfer ??? I don't think "this" is a choice some people have at the moment of birth. Everyone knows straight people give birth to all genders types including gay. I hope the 2 openly gay US athletes are safe and make a difference at the Olympics and teach those people a few lessons in humanity.
They have classes on "tolerance", officially. How far that goes, we shall see. But it is not what draws hits on YouTube. Taking cues from an unfree society with no right to bear arms (or any rights at all) is ridiculous. I agree it is better to raise citizens than brainwashed subjects who can juggle AK parts.
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Below is from this article, judge for yourself.

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Military training for Russian schoolboys, including lessons in patriotism, has been ordered by the country's acting president, Vladimir Putin, in a move which analysts see as a worrying return to the Cold War era. Some military experts view the step as a signal that Mr Putin, the favourite to win next month's presidential election, is less interested in democratic reforms than in restoring the prestige of the Russian army and security services. Earlier this month Mr Putin called up 20,000 reservists and announced a 50 per cent increase on arms spending. "This is more proof of the militarisation of Russian society under Putin," said Pavel Felgengauer, a defence analyst. "They want to train kids to be Russian patriots and prepare them for war - just like the Nazis did with the Hitler Youth." Mr Putin, a former KGB spy and head of Russia's domestic intelligence agency, signed the decree on military training on December 31, the day Boris Yeltsin resigned and appointed him acting president.

The Russian decree calls for boys from the age of 15 to be taught "the basics of military service" and "civil defence", and receive "a military-patriotic education". An official at the Education Ministry said they would spend five days training at their local army base where they would be taught how to shoot and march in formation, and learn the essentials of army life. This would be complemented by weekly "professional orientation" lessons in school on the legal and technical aspects of national service. "They'll also learn about the heroism of our great military commanders, both Russian and Soviet, and be taught to love the Fatherland," said Boris Mishin, the Ministry's specialist on secondary education. "Some things are still sacred in this country, and our military past is one of them." Girls will also be given combat training and firing practice as well as lessons in first aid and self-defence.
A Russian Defence Ministry spokesman said that the Army has long wanted to reintroduce the subject, which will be included in the curriculum from September 2000. He said the final syllabus will be worked out jointly by the Defence and Education Ministries. "The point is to give boys a clear idea of what to expect from their national service," he said.
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Sure, the indoctrination is back to the Soviet levels. Militarist propaganda is a fact of life there. They are raising future conscripts, and are struggling to motivate them. Most of the high school seniors would rather not go. There is nothing to envy in these efforts to raise patriotism. They are a sign of weakness, not strength. Americans who choose to serve are highly motivated, and will get all the training they need, without parading as adolescents on YouTube.
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I have a close friend who went to school in Russia during the Cold War. Yes, she did learn how to fire an AK in school.
Our family has a close personal friend who was raised in Communist China. She learned how to pull the trigger on a SKS in school, too. Apparently there were not enough AK's to go around at the time.

My wife was raised in Saigon, but her father fought against the Communists and had to be "re-educated" after the war so they didn't trust her family with firearms. Long story short, they escaped on their third attempt.

Although I know of no American school that teaches the youngins' about the care and feeding of an AR-15, I learned how to shoot because a close personal friend of my father took it upon himself to teach me.

Oddly enough, the first rifle I ever fired was a Colt AR-15 (SP1). Fun times.
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I would like to know why the kids in the video were not breaking the weapon down properly. None of them made sure that the weapon was rendered safe by removing the magazine first.

Also, Russian kids are being reprogrammed back to the ways of the old Soviet Union. Stripping away any free thoughts that they might have acquired. Granted, patriotism in ones country is a good thing, fanaticism is something else.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, kids in this country are told that firearms are evil by their educators and mass media and they are being given sensitivity training, anti-bullying and diversity classes. Instead of teaching them to stand up for what they believe, and handling situations as they arise. Teaching diversity is one thing, forcing them conform to the different cultures and lifestyles are another.

We need to get back good old fashion American way of doing and teaching things. This touchy-feely BS that is being spewed forth needs to go in the garbage can where it belongs.

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I would like to know why the kids in the video were not breaking the weapon down properly. None of them made sure that the weapon was rendered safe by removing the magazine first.

Also, Russian kids are being reprogrammed back to the ways of the old Soviet Union. Stripping away any free thoughts that they might have acquired. Granted, patriotism in ones country is a good thing, fanaticism is something else.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, kids in this country are told that firearms are evil by their educators and mass media and they are being given sensitivity training, anti-bullying and diversity classes. Instead of teaching them to stand up for what they believe, and handling situations as they arise. Teaching diversity is one thing, forcing them conform to the different cultures and lifestyles are another.

We need to get back good old fashion American way of doing and teaching things. This touchy-feely BS that is being spewed forth needs to go in the garbage can where it belongs.

My 2.5 cents worth.
As to why the Russians aren't overly concerned with safety, "Is weapon. Designed to kill. Is not safe."

After you understand what it's designed to do, some of us but perhaps not all of us, can accept it for what it is. That'd be how the Russians feel about "safety".

Although the government can try to indoctrinate you with whatever BS they want you to believe, you can choose not to believe and think what you want to think. From speaking with various different people who have come from so-called communist countries, it's pretty apparent that personal belief in government propaganda is rather limited. It gives me hope that despite our despotic governments the world over, the people who live under them are basically "human" in their beliefs and at least capable of making rational, moral decisions.

The teachers and government here can spew whatever they wish with respect to firearms, but I've yet to meet a teenager who didn't think that firearms were pretty cool and fun to shoot. In fact, even Piers Morgan admitted that he had fun shooting an AR-15 and he's a furriner who hates guns (or at least the idea that the unwashed, unclean masses are, for the most part, given the privilege of owning and using them as they see fit, within the confines of common law).

As diversity and lifestyles go, I could really care less if the man/woman next to me at the range is a cross-dressing transexual so long as he/she hits their own target and follows the range rules. All the alternative lifestyles in the world don't affect my marriage to my wife and that's all that matters to me.
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Sure, the indoctrination is back to the Soviet levels. Militarist propaganda is a fact of life there. They are raising future conscripts, and are struggling to motivate them. Most of the high school seniors would rather not go. There is nothing to envy in these efforts to raise patriotism. They are a sign of weakness, not strength. Americans who choose to serve are highly motivated, and will get all the training they need, without parading as adolescents on YouTube.
I am pretty sure if the US had been invaded by the Germans (or anyone for that matter) and lost roughly 10% of our population in WW2, chances are we would have a much more intense attitude about teaching firearms operation in our schools. The chart below shows that the US deaths for this war was next to nill in the grand scheme of things (China is right up there with the USSR - I see a trend)
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I am pretty sure if the US had been invaded by the Germans (or anyone for that matter) and lost roughly 10% of our population in WW2, chances are we would have a much more intense attitude about teaching firearms operation in our schools. The chart below shows that the US deaths for this war was next to nill in the grand scheme of things (China is right up there with the USSR - I see a trend)
True. What Russia and China have in common is the low value of individual human life.
Large casualties have historically been treated as a matter of course.
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