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Old 06-30-2013, 03:31 AM   #11
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The SKS is a great rifle, but it's a little long and more than a pound heavier than a stamped receiver AK.

An Arsenal stamped receiver pattern AK (Russian or Bulgarian) with a loaded Bulgarian steel reinforced polymer "waffle" magazine will weigh about as much as an empty SKS.

If you want a general purpose carbine, the AK is a better weapon. It's lighter, accepts detachable magazines, and there are more stock/optics/light/bipod/grip accessory options available.

The myth of AK inaccuracy and SKS accuracy is mostly just that. If you put an Aimpoint on a SKS and an AK, there won't be much accuracy difference between the two, at least not that I have seen from shooting both. The SKS has a longer sighting radius. Put TechSights on both of them and it changes the shootability equation somewhat. Most people have a harder time with the notch and post than they do with the peep/aperture/ghost ring.

The SKS is cheaper, but the rifle does not have more general utility than the AK.
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The SKS is cheaper, but the rifle does not have more general utility than the AK.
In general terms, yes, but they stopped putting the

bayonet on the pattern AKs long ago.

All I know is my SKS almost always makes it on the bus,

based on it's merits. My AKM is rarely de-throned from

the safe.

Once again, JMHO, but the SKS has better balance, and

a nicer stock.
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In general terms, yes, but they stopped putting the

bayonet on the pattern AKs long ago.

All I know is my SKS almost always makes it on the bus,

based on it's merits. My AKM is rarely de-throned from

the safe.

Once again, JMHO, but the SKS has better balance, and

a nicer stock.
Out of sheer morbid curiosity, what merits are attributable to the SKS that cause you to prefer it over the AK?

With respect to better balance, do you mean that the SKS is more muzzle heavy?

Not that it matters in normal circumstances, but what does hanging a long, heavy steel spike off the muzzle of the SKS do for you? Against wild animals, I can see it providing minimal standoff between you and the critter you're after, but the only reason it ever works against humans is surprise and the general lack of knowledge about fighting with knives.
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Too many people try to make an SKS something it's not, like an AK or an AR.

If you're looking for a 'tactical' rifle, go with the AK, if just a target rile I'd go SKS.
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Out of sheer morbid curiosity, what merits are attributable to the SKS that cause you to prefer it over the AK?

With respect to better balance, do you mean that the SKS is more muzzle heavy?

Not that it matters in normal circumstances, but what does hanging a long, heavy steel spike off the muzzle of the SKS do for you? Against wild animals, I can see it providing minimal standoff between you and the critter you're after, but the only reason it ever works against humans is surprise and the general lack of knowledge about fighting with knives.
Merit-the SKS has a solid wood stock, which
works better for me than holding a cold, metal receiver.
Merit-the SKS simply has better overall balance
through and through, making it faster on target, and
and faster off recoil.Merit-the SKS is somewhat more
accurate for me, maybe not for you. Merit-the SKS is a
complete system, perhaps the bayonet means
nothing to you, maybe you'll never hunt wild boar.
Merit-the SKS is solid milled steel through the
metal work- once again, only opinion, I guess
you feel safer and surer with a stamped metal
receiver and cover just because it's appeared in
a few movies. Merit-IME-that AKM has broken down,
the SKS hasn't. Merit-the SKS doesn't jam. Merit-the
10 round mag doesn't snag on bushes, brush, and
branches. Merit- the SKS is easier to sling in general.

Yanno, I started out with the AKM...
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SKS is underrated.

It's about as good as an AK, yet cheaper and better made.
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Merit-the SKS has a solid wood stock, which
works better for me than holding a cold, metal receiver.
I've never held an AK by anything other than the fore end and pistol grip, but I'll take your word for it. If it's cold outside, I wear gloves.

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Merit-the SKS simply has better overall balance
through and through, making it faster on target, and
and faster off recoil.
I've never had any problems keeping either on target, but I'll take your word for it. The SKS variants I've used would seem to have more recoil than the AK, but recoil impulse means something and the SKS recoil impulse seems shorter/faster than the AK.

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Merit-the SKS is somewhat more
accurate for me, maybe not for you.
Put an Aimpoint Comp M3 or M4 on both weapons. There's little meaningful accuracy difference. The short sight radius and design of the AKM's sighting mechanism makes accuracy difficult for most people.

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Merit-the SKS is a
complete system, perhaps the bayonet means
nothing to you, maybe you'll never hunt wild boar.
I purchased a bayonet/utility knife with my AK. If it were me, I think I'd want to be a little further back from something that could gore me or I'd shoot it in the head just to be sure.

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Merit-the SKS is solid milled steel through the
metal work- once again, only opinion, I guess
you feel safer and surer with a stamped metal
receiver and cover just because it's appeared in
a few movies.
How many Arsenal or Chinese stamped receivers have you seen fail? The only movies I've seen with stamped receiver AKM's are the kind that the troops post that show stamped receiver weapons that look like they've been through a couple world wars that are still chucking lead like there's no tomorrow.

Run anything hard enough, long enough and it will inevitably fail.

If a milled receiver is really important to you, Arsenal makes a milled receiver AK variant. Polytech and Arsenal are the only major manufacturers I know of that ever made hammer forged receivers; everyone else milled them from bar stock. Arsenal uses cold hammer forged barrels.

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Merit-IME-that AKM has broken down,
the SKS hasn't.
Who built your AKM? A Century International AKM or WASR isn't the standard I'd use to judge AKM's by. Worn out parts kits slapped together and refinished aren't "new" guns. If the stamped receiver technology was a problem, you think the Russians would still be using it? They invented both rifles and as far as I know the SKS is reserved for ceremonial use.

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Merit-the SKS doesn't jam.
I've not heard of many AKM's jamming, but if your AKM was improperly manufactured or you use American plastic magazines, I can see how that would turn you off to the AK variants.

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Merit-the
10 round mag doesn't snag on bushes, brush, and
branches.
I have 10 round magazines for my AK. Brush is pretty snaggy and the design of the SKS magazine inhibits snags. That's a valid point.

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Merit- the SKS is easier to sling in general.
I've not found either weapon more or less difficult to sling, but I'll take your word for it.

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Yanno, I started out with the AKM...
Me, too. I started out with the AKM and I love it for what it is.
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[/QUOTE]If it were me, I think I'd want to be a little further back from something that could gore me or I'd shoot it in the head just to be sure.[/QUOTE]

Oh, you're one of those boar hunters who has never

had a boar get underfoot. What tips do you have,

for the average boar hunter, like me, to assure such

an advantageous stand-off distance from an animal

which is legendary for concealment, sudden charges,

and razor sharp tusks, Obi-Wan?

BTW, what do I know, but all the boar I've

encountered have a very tough hide protecting

most of their heads. Do you shoot it in the eye,

in mid-charge,perhaps?

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If it were me, I think I'd want to be a little further back from something that could gore me or I'd shoot it in the head just to be sure.[/QUOTE]

Oh, you're one of those boar hunters who has never

had a boar get underfoot. What tips do you have,

for the average boar hunter, like me, to assure such

an advantageous stand-off distance from an animal

which is legendary for concealment, sudden charges,

and razor sharp tusks, Obi-Wan?

BTW, what do I know, but all the boar I've

encountered have a very tough hide protecting

most of their heads. Do you shoot it in the eye,

in mid-charge,perhaps?[/QUOTE]

Are you telling me that your bayonet will go through their hides or skulls but a round of 7.62 won't? In what fantasy world can you impart more kinetic energy to a poorly designed spear than gunpowder can impart to a .30 caliber bullet?

There's a reason you don't hear about bayonet charges very often these days. That reason is called a 30 round magazine.

In any event, it's all pretty irrelevant around here; you can use whatever you want as long as you kill them. However, only bows and spears are allowed in the residential areas.

I don't have anything against the SKS, I just find it a little curious when their owners try to argue that they're better weapons than the AK. The Russians don't use the SKS anymore because of its limitations. The esoteric preferences of hunters do not imbue their weapons with qualities that the objects of their affection do not possess.

A poorly manufactured rifle is just that. Between a poorly manufactured rifle and a quality rifle, I'll take the quality rifle every time. If that means a properly manufactured SKS, then that's what that means. If you have the money for a properly manufactured AK, then I would choose the AK over the SKS.

My experience with the AK is limited to NORINCO, Polytech, and Arsenal. I've never had an issue with any of them. My SKS experience is limited to NORINCO and Russian variants. I've never had an issue with any of them.

I still own a Polytech Legend National Match. It's my "SKS".

BTW, what flavor of AKM did you have issues with?
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I'll take my AK over an SKS any day.

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