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CAMCHAMPION1988 12-24-2011 06:28 AM

The russians invented the Ak but the chinese perfected it your opinion
 
Polytech and Norinco what's your opinion.

jpattersonnh 12-24-2011 12:48 PM

The Soviets copied and modified the STG44. To many similarities to be coincidence. The Chinese copied everyone!!!

nfafan 12-27-2011 10:38 PM

Meh, you could argue that the Finns perfected the AKs with their VALMETs, and the Isrealis perfected the VALMETs with their Galils.

Or that the Yugos perfected the AKs with their M70AB familiy.

Between a PolyTech or a Norinco - I'll take the Keng's-imported Polytech.

Yes, I know they were supposedly built at the same arsenal or whatever, but Keng's family are marketing-focused and paid off enough of the right people to finish the guns nicer, finish the Chu wood better, make fatter pgrips, add the spring-loaded f-pin, whatever. Just something about the cosmetics of a Keng's PolyTech vs anyone else, including my all-matching Polish build.

But hey - all AKs are good!

nfafan 12-27-2011 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 658840)
The Soviets copied and modified the STG44. To many similarities to be coincidence. The Chinese copied everyone!!!

Didja say STG44/22 ???

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jpattersonnh 12-27-2011 11:10 PM

NO. What is an STG44/22? Must be a Chinese POS.
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nfafan 12-28-2011 03:22 AM

Nien! It's German Sport Gun's latest offering in a .22 - the long awaited MP44/STG44!

Only way it could be a better .22 would be if it were a .22LR FAMAS, or AUG, or G3, or BAR, or Garand, or L85, or Sterling Mk6, or FG42, or M14S, or SKS.

Chris from ATI is a regular at the GSG-specific subforum over at that other board...

Pjj342 12-29-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 658840)
The Soviets copied and modified the STG44. To many similarities to be coincidence. The Chinese copied everyone!!!

I cant say, since I wasnt there. But Mr. Kalishnikov has said in interviews that the ak47 was not based on the stg44. I believe him to a point, since outside looks pretty similar. I dont believe, from what ive seen, that the internals have any resemblance at all. The ak47 is more of a stg44 chassis (but way simpler) with SKS workings.

jpattersonnh 12-29-2011 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pjj342 (Post 662318)
I cant say, since I wasnt there. But Mr. Kalishnikov has said in interviews that the ak47 was not based on the stg44. I believe him to a point, since outside looks pretty similar. I dont believe, from what ive seen, that the internals have any resemblance at all. The ak47 is more of a stg44 chassis (but way simpler) with SKS workings.

Do you really think a sgt., a tanker could have invented something that Firearms engineers could not? The Soviets could not duplicate the tilting bolt, nor the recoil system. The design was simplified, that is itself was a feat. They had early models back to 1942. Even in 1946 Kalashnikovs design was rejected for being to complex. The Soviets captured rifles in 1942, The sgt. was injured in 1942. Coincidence from a purged country? Naaa. The M60 was M38 technology.

nfafan 12-29-2011 10:37 PM

I'm sure the Russians copied the idea of the "intermediate" rifle-cal cartridge from the 8mm Kurz of the MP44/STG44

JonM 12-29-2011 10:44 PM

talk to a russian and you will learn that a simple russian farmer invented space flight, the telephone, cars, aircraft, the ballpoint pen, personal computers on and on...

yes they copied the stg44


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