So went shooting this weekend as I said tried a few of the suggestions and things much improved. I was able to zero the gun.
I did not however zero it at 25 or 50 yards I zero'd it at 100 yards.
I know people said to do 25/50/100 consecutively but my arguement to that is
Why? The minimum range of this ironsight is zero'd at 100m. At 50 and 25 yards it doesn't matter what the sight tells me at those ranges.
In either case... I thought my nephew and I did very well considering.
Found out the point of impact was about 3-4 feet to the far upper right and way off target. So had to do a lot of left/right play with the rear sight... finally got it down to where my nephew and I were hitting much more consistantly. Binoculars helped out on this.
So these images are 100yards (91m) via ironsight
This first image is us trying to zero it in once we saw the first point of impact.
This 2nd one was after we felt pretty confident we had it zero'd pretty well. I believe the margin of error is just inexperience but if you figure it in terms of consistancy 50% of the shots hit a 12" target at 100yards through ironsights.
Thing that kinda made me giggle tho... The DNR person tells me you should be hitting a 2" spread at 100yards... For some reason I found this comical.
After going through the BS I went through to zero this... I just remember thinking with a scope sure, but I'm not using a scope.