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Old 05-30-2012, 11:54 PM   #21
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Actually the SKS was designed and saw trials during WWII, the AK was designed later, they are totally different and neither is based on the other. The 7.62x39 was based on the 7.92x33 kurtz as a lighter recoiling 7.62x54R, more suitable for battle. the 5.45x39 was designed after the 5.56x45.

You are correct about the accuracy vs penetration though.

5.45x39 is cheaper, recoils less, is more accurate and is more suitable as a 'combat' round.

7.62x39 is better for hunting (with proper ammo)
He is only partiality correct, if you get the right ammo it will penetrate.
Check out the link below where it says Enhanced penetration cartridges.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.45%C3%9739mm
The original 5N7 standard service cartridge didn't have much penetration but the 7N6 that is what most the surplus ammo out today, does penetrate quite well. I have shot it through 1/2" steel at 100yds.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:44 AM   #22
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Actually the SKS was designed and saw trials during WWII, the AK was designed later, they are totally different and neither is based on the other. The 7.62x39 was based on the 7.92x33 kurtz as a lighter recoiling 7.62x54R, more suitable for battle. the 5.45x39 was designed after the 5.56x45.

You are correct about the accuracy vs penetration though.

5.45x39 is cheaper, recoils less, is more accurate and is more suitable as a 'combat' round.

7.62x39 is better for hunting (with proper ammo)
ahh fixed

Just reread it... ya I misunderstood in the description.

This is what I misread I guess

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Mikhail Kalashnikov began his career as a weapon designer while in a hospital after he was shot in the shoulder during the Battle of Bryansk.[9] After tinkering with a submachine gun design, he entered a competition for a new weapon that would chamber the 7.62x41mm cartridge developed by Elisarov and Semin in 1943 (the 7.62x41mm cartridge predated the current 7.62x39mm M1943). A particular requirement of the competition was the reliability of the firearm in the muddy, wet, and frozen conditions of the Soviet front line. Kalashnikov designed a carbine, strongly influenced by the American M1 Garand, that lost out to the Simonov design (scaled down PTRS-41), that later became the SKS semi-automatic carbine. At the same time, the Soviet Army was interested in developing a true assault rifle employing a shortened M1943 round. The first such weapon was presented by Sudayev in 1944, but trials found it to be too heavy.[10] A new design competition was held two years later where Kalashnikov and his design team submitted an entry. It was a gas-operated rifle which had a breech-block mechanism similar to his 1944 carbine, and a curved 30-round magazine.
I guess the SKS was based on the PTRS-41?
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:13 PM   #23
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ahh fixed

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I guess the SKS was based on the PTRS-41?
Looks like it. that's one heck of a down scale.
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Consider both, maybe a Arsenal SGL-31 or Saiga for 5.45 and a WASR or SKS for 7.62x39.
Aresenals are very nice, I own the SGL-31. My only complaint is the finish they do wears very easily.
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