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Old 05-05-2013, 10:17 PM   #21
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The AK is not a 1000 yard sniper, and no matter how you "fix" it it will still not be. By the time a x39 gets 1000 yards down range, it will drop over 1000 inches and is moving slow enough for you to hitch a ride on, if you were a mind to.

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Therewolf, ("Where ya goin? I was gonna make expresso!!!) Someone told me when I was exploring building long range loads for my Remington 700
Varmint Synthetic in .308, that up to 200yds, the Spire point had no advantage over a Round Nose, BUT beyond that, you had better choose a SP for pinpoint accuracy to the vitals on a game animal. RNs are adequate for longer distances on man-sized targets in wartime. I'd appreciate your feedback on this
A lot of it is personal preference. You have to figure out if you

prefer the additional velocity of 220 grain RNs, or the "accuracy" of

180 or 190 grain spire points.
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You know, I don't know why I just assumed they'd use the standard chambering for a rifle like that.The 7.62 NATO round would be just the ticket for a 1000yd sniper rifle. Shouldn't be too involved to get it to work in that action, but I'm just guessing. Thanx for the enlightenment, jd45
7.62x51 is not a true 1000 yard sniper round, The .30-06 was considered a 900 yard.

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As has been advised by the others 7.62 X 39 being an effective 1000 yard gun! NOT! The 7.62 X 51 (308)is fair at that range and certainly can do it. I have shot many rounds at 1000. But better yet is the 300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua!
Not saying that the 7.62 X39 could not hit a target at 1000 but it would be like launching a mortar regarding the angle of the trajectory. Otherwise any consistency in accuracy would be a result of luck at that range!

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Still too many unknowns w/ 7.62x51

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A lot of it is personal preference. You have to figure out if you

prefer the additional velocity of 220 grain RNs, or the "accuracy" of

180 or 190 grain spire points.
How do you get additional velosity from a bullet that has a lower muzzle velosity??
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My question as well. I've read Elmer Keith regarding the .30-06 as a hunting load, but I doubt it was faster than the 180s or 190s mentioned. And I doubt it'd be used as a LR sniper projectile, in any case. It just doesn't cut the air down range like an SP. I'm not a ballistician, but I DO play one on the web! (grin) jd45

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How do you get additional velosity from a bullet that has a lower muzzle velosity??
You don't. The heavier projectile sheds less velocity over distance

which makes a higher terminal velocity, one feature which makes

this bulky round popular.

Yes, the 30.06 is considered 900 yard range, firing military ammo.

Which is @150-160 grains. I'd certainly be willing to gamble a 200 grain

round would give me another 100 yards, IF I could shoot accurately

at that distance...
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I'm sure some enterprising young lad out there will make a 1000 yard .22 LR, but I'll never buy one.

Lots of other better platforms out there for accuracy and launching bullets that far.

I'd have to see it to believe it. I saw the episode, but I never saw them shoot anywhere near 1000 yards and accuracy was not particularly impressive in comparison to other precision semi-auto rifles.

Regarding accurized AK's, I think Marc Krebs was working on an enhanced SAIGA with a floated barrel (to the extent that you can float the barrel on an AK). There was some degree of machining involved with the gas block. The SAIGA barrels are, according to Marc Krebs, pretty good.

Apart from cool factor, I fail to see the point to accurizing a SAIGA when the modifications make the rifle cost more than an actual sniping rifle like a 700 Police.

Didn't the Israeli's already try to accurize an AK?

Don't see to many of those anymore.

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I kinda think you're jokin about that 1000yd .22lr, right? Seems to me a Remington 40X or a later version would be far more effective at that distance than any other long range rifle, except something like a .50 Barret or a variation thereof. It'd sure be interesting to build a rifle around a 5.56mm Nato cart with a 1-in-6 barrel & a 100gr bullet, tho. I bet THAT would open some eyes, eh? jd45

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. I'm not a ballistician, but I DO play one on the web! (grin) jd45
LMAO! Okay, that was funny! And don't feel guilty, JD, so do lots of people.
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TekGreg, I try to inject a little humor into my replies, when I can. I think it makes the reading a little more enjoyable. Not everyone HAS a sense of humor, based on their replies, or ignoring mine. Thanx for appreciating. BTW, the words of Edmund Burke were never truer than they are today! jd45

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The sons if guns one was based in a .308 saiga if you google image "sons of gun 1000yd ak" pictures of it come up with boxes of .308 ammo around it. This isn't my image so remove it If I broke a rule but here is a picture if it around the ammo boxes. They also look like .308 mags on the show.

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