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Mark_Van_Goth 09-16-2013 12:36 PM

Why haven't they tried to design....
 
Try to answer the following questions
WHY HAVEN'T THEY TRIED TO DESIGN AND (POSSIBLY) MASS PRODUCE...?

HK G3+its assault rifle derivatives
-a lighter version
-with integrated rail system

Comment:The G3 platform is one of the best ever made.Why didn't they develop it/why did they abandon it?

M16
-with short stroke gas system(Until HK416)?
-with foldable buttstock(redesigning the working mechanism)?

Comment:Colt and the other manufacturers had 50+ years to switch to short-stroke gas piston.Why did they stick to the direct inf.??!??!

M14
-a lighter version of it, less bulky?
-an assault version of it(chambered in 5,56)?

Comment:The M14 has a great, battle-proven design, but it has defined as bulky, heavy and too long.Why didn't they tried to build lighter rifle, possibly an assault rifle?

AK
-A short-stroke gas piston rifle?
-a 10 cm (a little less than 4 inches) longer barrel(To match the m16 one's length)?
-an integrated rail system(I mean...top cover+gas tube)?

Comment:AK platform is very reliable but even well known for being uncontrollable and inaccurate.This problem might be solved with a longer barrel ans short-stroke piston gas system.Why haven't they never attempted to do it?

spack762 09-16-2013 12:45 PM

An AK that fires 45acp! Just say it would be awesome.

CrazedJava 09-16-2013 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_Van_Goth (Post 1373570)
Try to answer the following questions
WHY HAVEN'T THEY TRIED TO DESIGN AND (POSSIBLY) MASS PRODUCE...?

HK G3+its assault rifle derivatives
-a lighter version
-with integrated rail system

Comment:The G3 platform is one of the best ever made.Why didn't they develop it/why did they abandon it?

The actual design is complicated and expensive. Plus it really wasn't any better than a FAL but at a much higher cost.

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M16
-with short stroke gas system(Until HK416)?
-with foldable buttstock(redesigning the working mechanism)?

Comment:Colt and the other manufacturers had 50+ years to switch to short-stroke gas piston.Why did they stick to the direct inf.??!??!
There are actually a number of manufacturers that use a gas piston.

The DI system is so common because it is relatively cheap and "good enough" for common use. Interestingly, the US Military has looked at gas piston systems to replace the M16 but have put high standards in place. I think their view is that if they are going to spend almost twice as much per rifle they need to be at least twice as reliable.

Interestingly, the current M4 Carbine cannot come close to passing the reliability standard they are currently using to evaluate a replacement. It's a topic worthy of its own discussion.

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M14
-a lighter version of it, less bulky?
-an assault version of it(chambered in 5,56)?

Comment:The M14 has a great, battle-proven design, but it has defined as bulky, heavy and too long.Why didn't they tried to build lighter rifle, possibly an assault rifle?

They do make lighter stocks now, but the M14 is just a heavy weapon. When you chamber a round like that the weapon has to be strong enough to handle it, and sometimes that just takes a lot of metal.

There is a 5.56mm version. The Ruger Mini-14, which is offered in a select-fire version for law enforcement. I think it's called the AC556.

The Mini-14 is known in Hollywood as "The Jamless Wonder" because it's one of the few weapons that will reliably cycle 5.56mm blank ammunition. Having fired blank ammunition (military spec, not the extra flash and dirt of Hollywood rounds) I can attest that nothing fouls up a weapon faster. I'd rather clean mud out of a receiver than try to clean up a weapon that just fired a couple hundred rounds of blanks through it.

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AK
-A short-stroke gas piston rifle?
-a 10 cm (a little less than 4 inches) longer barrel(To match the m16 one's length)?
-an integrated rail system(I mean...top cover+gas tube)?

Comment:AK platform is very reliable but even well known for being uncontrollable and inaccurate.This problem might be solved with a longer barrel ans short-stroke piston gas system.Why haven't they never attempted to do it?
Staying the hell away from this one. My knowledge of AK's is just too limited.

Salvo 09-16-2013 11:19 PM

The answer to most questions here:

Economics.

Garadex 09-17-2013 12:57 AM

Us gun owners typically don't like change, especially if it is expensive to test out the changes.

MisterMcCool 09-17-2013 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garadex
Us gun owners typically don't like change, especially if it is expensive to test out the changes.

Says the musketeers. :p

JonM 09-17-2013 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark_Van_Goth (Post 1373570)
Try to answer the following questions
WHY HAVEN'T THEY TRIED TO DESIGN AND (POSSIBLY) MASS PRODUCE...?

HK G3+its assault rifle derivatives
-a lighter version
-with integrated rail system

Comment:The G3 platform is one of the best ever made.Why didn't they develop it/why did they abandon it?

M16
-with short stroke gas system(Until HK416)?
-with foldable buttstock(redesigning the working mechanism)?

Comment:Colt and the other manufacturers had 50+ years to switch to short-stroke gas piston.Why did they stick to the direct inf.??!??!

M14
-a lighter version of it, less bulky?
-an assault version of it(chambered in 5,56)?

Comment:The M14 has a great, battle-proven design, but it has defined as bulky, heavy and too long.Why didn't they tried to build lighter rifle, possibly an assault rifle?

AK
-A short-stroke gas piston rifle?
-a 10 cm (a little less than 4 inches) longer barrel(To match the m16 one's length)?
-an integrated rail system(I mean...top cover+gas tube)?

Comment:AK platform is very reliable but even well known for being uncontrollable and inaccurate.This problem might be solved with a longer barrel ans short-stroke piston gas system.Why haven't they never attempted to do it?

Simply because those things have been tried or already in existance and found to be lacking versus the things they are meant to be replacing.

Just for example short stroke gas piston ar15 is not any more reliable than a typical milspec ar15/m16. Added expense weight for no practical purpose or gain.

hq357 09-17-2013 09:57 AM

They make ak pistols not sure if that counts as a short stroke piston its a mini ak so the barrel isnt even long


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