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Old 03-13-2009, 05:18 PM   #1
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O.K. got into a little discussion on the nomenclature of this round. My contention is that the sporting round is not really a .30-06, but should be the .30 Springfield Rimless, or some such designation. Splittin' hairs, I know, but interestin' none the less.

Consider: Springfield Armory (The U.S. Government one, not the Johnny-come-lately private firm of the same name.) began a search for a rifle to replace the Krag then in service from 1892. Using the Mauser rifle and 8mm cartridge, Springfield introduced a bolt action repeating rifle which was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1903. The .30 caliber M1903 round had a rimless bottleneck cartridge with a 220 gr. round nosed metal jacketed bullet. In 1906 the round was modified by shortening the case neck .07" and loading a 150 gr. flat based Spitzer bullet, full metal jacketed. This round is the Caliber .30 M1906 round from which the term ".30-06" was derived. But, the .30-06 lasted only twenty years, being replaced by the .30 M1 round in 1926. The .30 M1 was loaded with a 172 gr. boat tailed Spitzer full metal cased bullet. In 1937 the U.S. Army adopted the M1 Garand rifle as the standard infantry rifle. The M1 ammunition didn't function as well in the gas-operated M1 Rifle, and the M2 ammunition was issued to replace the M1 ammunition. The M2 was laoded with the 150 gr. bullet, at 2700 fps velocity.

However, when I was in the Army, in the 'fifties, I remember our ammunition overseas marked as "Cartridge, AP, Caliber .30 M2" and having a boat tailed bullet. These were from Lake City Arsenal mostly, bearing the "L C " headstamps.

But, my contention is the round is truly no longer a ."30-06" when any deviation from the 1906 specification is made.

Oh, I'll continue to use the term ".30-06" but this will still be in the back of my mind.

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Old 03-13-2009, 05:56 PM   #2
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The 30-06 is by deffination a 30 cal cartridge adopted in 1906. I think your thinking about it way to much.

It is a 30-06 it has always been a 30-06 and will always be a 30-06.

What if you are a handloader? Then Everything I load has a different name because I use different weight bullets or I screw up and trim the case .001" to short? Oh lord it is hard enough to keep track of them all as it is now.
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No matter what anyone may call it, it's still "God's own rifle cartridge...."
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O.K. got into a little discussion on the nomenclature of this round. My contention is that the sporting round is not really a .30-06, but should be the .30 Springfield Rimless, or some such designation. Splittin' hairs, I know, but interestin' none the less.

Consider: Springfield Armory (The U.S. Government one, not the Johnny-come-lately private firm of the same name.) began a search for a rifle to replace the Krag then in service from 1892. Using the Mauser rifle and 8mm cartridge, Springfield introduced a bolt action repeating rifle which was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1903. The .30 caliber M1903 round had a rimless bottleneck cartridge with a 220 gr. round nosed metal jacketed bullet. In 1906 the round was modified by shortening the case neck .07" and loading a 150 gr. flat based Spitzer bullet, full metal jacketed. This round is the Caliber .30 M1906 round from which the term ".30-06" was derived. But, the .30-06 lasted only twenty years, being replaced by the .30 M1 round in 1926. The .30 M1 was loaded with a 172 gr. boat tailed Spitzer full metal cased bullet. In 1937 the U.S. Army adopted the M1 Garand rifle as the standard infantry rifle. The M1 ammunition didn't function as well in the gas-operated M1 Rifle, and the M2 ammunition was issued to replace the M1 ammunition. The M2 was laoded with the 150 gr. bullet, at 2700 fps velocity.

However, when I was in the Army, in the 'fifties, I remember our ammunition overseas marked as "Cartridge, AP, Caliber .30 M2" and having a boat tailed bullet. These were from Lake City Arsenal mostly, bearing the "L C " headstamps.

But, my contention is the round is truly no longer a ."30-06" when any deviation from the 1906 specification is made.

Oh, I'll continue to use the term ".30-06" but this will still be in the back of my mind.

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Well!!! Now that I think of it!!!!!! You are right!!!!!!!!
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Ok you asked for it so here goes. I am a cartridge collector and specialise in this caliber. There is a large hard cover book in publication strickly about the 30-06 caliber. As everyone knows the "30" stands for 30 caliber and "06" stands for the year it went into service 1906. HOWEVER the inventors have the right to name the cartridge and its original name is " BALL CARTRIDGE CALIBER 30 MODEL 1906". When sporting ammunition was loaded for it ,Winchester called their ammo "30 government 1906" and labeled their rifle barrels "30 GOVT 06". Remington called their ammo "30 SPRINGFIELD 1906" and labeled their barrels the same. I t wasnt until 1934, 28 years after its introduction that the first cartridge headstamp actually said 30-06. And another interesting tidbit, there is over 10,000 different varities of 30-06's. By the way does anyone have any interesting single or boxed ammo they are willing to barter away????????
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By the way does anyone have any interesting single or boxed ammo they are willing to barter away????????

I, too, collect cartridges, handgun my specialty. I do have a few rounds of rifle stuff I'd be willing to trade for handgun ammunition. Shoot me a PM or email to supershootist@yahoo.com

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"Thirty-aught-six? I probably got some of that caliber lost down behind the sofa cushions. There's a box under the seat in the truck . . . "
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I found an old loaded -06 round that has a primer resembling a shotshell primer, only much smaller.

I havent looked at it in a while, but i think its black tipped milspec.
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