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Old 01-20-2014, 08:13 PM   #81
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There is more to choosing a service rifle that the calibre. There is cost, ease of manufacture, As for the calibre most went for an intermediate calibre after experiences in WW2. Following the thinking of the Germans and their use of the sturmgewehr. They knew that the intermediate cartage would not be as effective as the 7.62 range etc for example, The advantages a lighter firearm, controllable automatic fire, smaller lighter ammo , making it easer to carry more ammo, easer to train soldiers to use because of the lighter recoil. So for all the ones posting that the 5.56 is not as effective in stopping someone, you are saying something that most people already know including the designers. But they see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages. Unless something radically different and better than the 5.56 and the M/4 come along. I can't see them changing service rifles ,why would they.

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I have no idea why some people went off the deep end on this topic, but let's bring it back to the land of civility. I don't want to dispatch anymore vacations.

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Old 01-20-2014, 09:44 PM   #83
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I have no idea why some people went off the deep end on this topic, but let's bring it back to the land of civility. I don't want to dispatch anymore vacations.
this crap happens when we get talking about stuff like this...some people think they know stuff, others know stuff, and its all displayed here on FTF
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There is more to choosing a service rifle that the calibre. There is cost, ease of manufacture, As for the calibre most went for an intermediate calibre after experiences in WW2. Following the thinking of the Germans and their use of the sturmgewehr. They knew that the intermediate cartage would not be as effective as the 7.62 range etc for example, The advantages a lighter firearm, controllable automatic fire, smaller lighter ammo , making it easer to carry more ammo, easer to train soldiers to use because of the lighter recoil. So for all the ones posting that the 5.56 is not as effective in stopping someone, you are saying something that most people already know including the designers. But they see the advantages outweighing the disadvantages. Unless something radically different and better than the 5.56 and the M/4 come along. I can't see them changing service rifles ,why would they.
nicely said, except for the part about the 5.56 not being a good fight stopper, and the designer knew about it...I cant agree with you on this...its a great fight stopper and man killer as proven in battle and in the hunting fields under 300 YARDS

I read your comment one more time and think you were saying the 5.56 is not as good as the 308 is that right, as far as terminal ballistics, and your right everybody knew that
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I think if they ever do switch it needs to be a happy medium between 5.56 and 7.62 something like the 6mm x 35 round KAC developed for the pdw

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Gentlemen....it's pretty obvious that anything that can kill you is a "good choice".It can be the 556 or any other heavier bullet.The truth is and has always been in the middle: something between the 556 and the 762(x39).In my opinion, they should combine the accuracy of the first with the penetration and stopping power of the second.There nothing such the "perfect round", you can only get closer to it.

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nicely said, except for the part about the 5.56 not being a good fight stopper, and the designer knew about it...I cant agree with you on this...
I could have put that better. I think the designers knew that the 5.56 was not going to be as effective as the 7.62. That does not mean it is not effective at the ranges it was designed for.
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I think if they ever do switch it needs to be a happy medium between 5.56 and 7.62 something like the 6mm x 35 round KAC developed for the pdw
Is there really a reason to consider changing things? we have the best rifle in the AR, we also have the old M14 for long rang work, along with all the other defensive weapons...the US is doing very well with this, and I don't see a need for change...just stop all the wars so we wont use up all our ammo
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I could have put that better. I think the designers knew that the 5.56 was not going to be as effective as the 7.62. That does not mean it is not effective at the ranges it was designed for.
I think the designer knew that the round was devastating and diminished at longer range
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Comparing one round to another is good reading, but it is inaccurate. The real choices are, do you want 20 of 7.62x39, or 30 of 5.45x39 with a flatter trajectory and a tumbling bullet. (Numbers rounded up) All that in bursts or full auto, with rapid depletion. We know their answer- same as ours.

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