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Old 03-26-2014, 06:17 AM   #141
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I beg to disagree the 223 is less then lethal and was designed as such for the simple reason it takes at least 2 more soldiers to remove a wounded comrade to safety using up resources to heal the soldier the deer hunters i,am hoping are using soft point legal for hunting bullets and not military FMJ loads like the army uses by Geneva convention All military combat loads are FMJ all hunting loads in Canada and the states are not that is the difference and the reason the 223 wounds as much as it kills. The 223 FMJ cartridge tumbles


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Old 03-26-2014, 10:43 AM   #142
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Ok but there's lots of bullets that are for .223 that are not fmj. I believe it's a good Varmit gun not a deer gun. It's to small for deer where I live, not legal to hunt deer with

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Old 03-27-2014, 01:44 AM   #143
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I have to agree with the proper bullets it has its place to me it is still a home defence gun or as you say a varmit gun . They are a lot of fun but so is a 10/22 ruger with cheaper ammo . Even troops are concerned about the knock down stay down power of the 223


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Old 03-28-2014, 05:48 PM   #144
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What about the mini 30 it is a better deer round out to 200 yards then the 223 being 7.62x39 amo is available in soft point hornady sells boxes of 50 cheap equal to the 30-30 in semi auto as a posed to the 223
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What about the mini 30 it is a better deer round out to 200 yards then the 223 being 7.62x39 amo is available in soft point hornady sells boxes of 50 cheap equal to the 30-30 in semi auto as a posed to the 223
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Definitely a better round for a deer than a 223 and out to 250 I would be comfortable shooting a 7.62x39. Still not ideal and I would recommend 270,308,3006, etc but it also depends where you live. The CA deer I hunt are much smaller than whitetail elsewhere


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good post and very useful info for everyone who love guns! thanks for sharing!

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What about the mini 30 it is a better deer round out to 200 yards then the 223 being 7.62x39 amo is available in soft point hornady sells boxes of 50 cheap equal to the 30-30 in semi auto as a posed to the 223
It shoots a heaver bullet accuratly

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Before the Clinton AWB you could go to any gun shop in this area and buy a SKS for $50. We all had bad experiences with the 7.62x39. I have no idea of how many deer I shot 7 or 8 times before the deer went down. A capable deer rifle is supposed to take a deer down first shot through the shoulder blades. I have hit deer 4 or more times in the shoulder blades with a 7.62x39 and the deer kept running.

The minimum caliber for deer is a 243. The 243 will take a deer down but larger calibers give you more range and room for error. If you have never made an error deer hunting, give it time. You will take some shots you regret. Get a 270 or something that will make up for your errors.
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I agree with you John Deer. Well said.

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Before the Clinton AWB you could go to any gun shop in this area and buy a SKS for $50. We all had bad experiences with the 7.62x39. I have no idea of how many deer I shot 7 or 8 times before the deer went down. A capable deer rifle is supposed to take a deer down first shot through the shoulder blades. I have hit deer 4 or more times in the shoulder blades with a 7.62x39 and the deer kept running.

The minimum caliber for deer is a 243. The 243 will take a deer down but larger calibers give you more range and room for error. If you have never made an error deer hunting, give it time. You will take some shots you regret. Get a 270 or something that will make up for your errors.
This is a first, He admits he can't shoot worth a damb.
BTW, in 1990 SKS's were $125.00 , not $50.00. I took a few with my 1953 with cheap ammo. No second shot required.
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My "heavy artillery" for pigs,goats,deer,feral horses and donkeys plus feral cats is either my 30/06AI or my CMC Mountaineer in .270 as these 2 calibres are probably along with the .308, 30/30 and .243 are probably the most commonly used calibres here in Australia for game in the above mentioned calibres.

I've also taken pigs with my .222 but that was all I had in my hands at the time same as when I dropped a couple of piglets and a sow with my .22 wouldn't really recommend it but....................

I used to own a commercial BSA/Parker Hale .303 on a Mk.4 No,1 action which served me well on pigs and goats but I sold it to help pay for my 30/06AI wish I never did as it was a real good pig buster with 150gn hand loads and the 10 shot mag but I made up and bought and refurbished a Mk3 No.1 SMLE and 180gn Pro Hunter projectiles but am yet to christen it on pigs or goats.

With Australia's multitude of game from rabbits up to Asiatic Water Buffalo no 1 calibre is "best" because buffalo can absorb a lot of lead especially .458's and can generally soak up 3-4 shots before they drop and we're talking a beast that can weigh up to ton in weight and has the ability to ream you a new orifice when pissed off.

Here's just a list of what we can shoot here in Australia ranging from thin skinned up to almost "bullet" proof and the reason why no 1 calibre will do it all here.

Rabbits.....22 cal from rimfire up to any high velocity wildcat/varmint round plus shotguns.

Feral cats........... as above.

Hares........ as above.

Foxes.... as above.

Kangaroos and Wallaby's.................222,.223 and bigger .22 cals but for use must be head shot.
These are protected here but can be culled under special permits for species culling and pet/human consumption and are thin skinned.
Don't believe anything the animal humper/lovers say that they're scarce because they aren't and can breed like fly's when conditions are right.

Goats............probably a .222/.223,22/250 with heavy pills,.243 upwards but like any thing this size hit in the wrong place and they'll carry lead for a long way.

Pigs........... as for goats but better with bigger .24 cals upwards because of the fact that some pigs have very big pads on the shoulders and a pig covered in mud is like having extra armour so a good SP or HP in a heavy weight would be a better proposition.

Deer..........minimum calibre for legally hunting deer in Australia is .243 but they have been taken with .222 and .223 but these are way undergunned in my opinion.
We have a fair range of deer here ranging from Hog Deer(roughly the size of a Labrador), Fallow,Chital,Red and Sambar and for the likes of Red and Sambar something around .308/.270/30/06 upwards is preferred because these CAN carry lead from a bad shot and can also from a lethal shot still run for a fair distance on pure andrenalin in thick scrub where they favour.

Camels and Donkeys.............. probably 25/06, .270 upwards would be a good starting point.

Water Buffalo,Banteng and Scrub bulls.......... This is where you start thinking Africa type calibres as in the big .30's(.338 as a minimum with the biggest pill available) as a bare minimum but probably .375 with a 300gn pill as a better starter.

So as you can see we have a bigger problem with "what is best" over here with probably 3-4 calibres being more like it but more is better.

The other thing that fascinates me with you Yanks is your fascination with the .223 round as a seemingly "go to for everything" round.

In Australia we treat it as a varmint round good for busting rabbits up to small pigs and like the 22/250 that overtook the .220 Swift it seems that people are just following trends as the .222 has been overtaken by the .223 even though there's not all that much difference in performances.

The .223 seems to handle the heavier 55gn + projectiles better over the .222 but that seems to be it.

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