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Old 03-19-2013, 05:12 AM   #21
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Not sure about no more corrosive primers. My sks ammo and some of my 8mm mauser rounds are corrosive. But I'm not sure I under stood what you saying



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I once asked this question of a know-it-all at work a few years back. His reply?

"A carbine uses corrosive primers, a rifle uses non-corrosive primers."


I kid you not. That was his answer. I just said "Hmmm." then turned and walked away.

By the way, he was wrong.
Even though his logic was, well, illogical he had it backwards. Most .30-06 ammo was corrosive primed and ALL .30 Carbine ammo was NON-corrosive primed.


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Very interesting.

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Dad- corrosive primers were used for all US military ammo until 1952, except M1 Carbine which was always non-corrosive. Was used by all of the communist nations FAR beyond that- and you will still find them out there.

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You really don't know what? The guy was an idiot. He tried to give a plausible answer but to anyone who knows a little bit his answer was just stupid...
Carbines and primers not true? I thought the same thing from reading it on the internet. Does your colleague post here including about how great Remington 870's are too by any chance!?
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Carbines and primers not true? I thought the same thing from reading it on the internet. Does your colleague post here including about how great Remington 870's are too by any chance!?
Apparently there are some correlations between the M1Carbine and non-corrosive primers, and that is true. But it is not what defines a carbine. As others have posted here a carbine is essentially a shorter, more compact lighter, and/or all of these, long gun (as opposed to a hand gun). Not always all of them, but at least one or more. As far as I know there is no barrel length or overall length that defines it though.

Good to know about the M1 Carbine using non-corrosive primers. I didn't know that. I thought all of the older ammo had corrosive until the early '50's. But it was not what defined a carbine, I did know that.

And no, I don't think the guy is present here. I worked with him many years ago and he professed to know everything and anything about guns. I think he even had 2 or 3.
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Thee were carbines for centuries before the M1 Carbine.

The ammo for the M1 Carbine (except for a very small amount of counterfeit stuff made in China) used non-corrosive primers due to the closed nature of the gas piston system- the gas piston on the M1 Carbine was NOT intended to be taken apart by the user for cleaning.

However, as said, the term "Carbine" has nothing to do with corrosive or non-corrosive, since the term was being used in the era of flintlocks.

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But they've been around awhile. Come to think of it this Landsknecht snapping matchlock actually is NOT my oldest example of a carbine, that would be a Burgundian Wars matchlock...

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Shoot, I didn't know that that's why we call them car-beans. Thanks c3. A wealth of knowledge!!!!
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So I'm guessing that a carbine is a shorter version if a long rifle



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