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Old 02-14-2014, 10:53 AM   #11
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When you gotta explain the joke it loses a lot...

I was referring to the recent incidents of the nypd firing dozens and dozens of shots in several incidents never hitting the goblin...
These guys never pulled their revolvers. None except one uncle was a good shot. In most cases the NYPD lets bad guys run away and call in major assets to get them after the fact. It has been this way since the 1960's.
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One of my clients was on the Internal Affairs 'Squad', that watched the Internal Affairs Division to make sure they were straight. He was also a top shot, pistol, rifle, sling shot, whatever. Won NYPD awards and stuff. Every year he was posted on the roof tops for one or the other of the holiday events; Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, Times Square New Years, 4th of July Fireworks, etc. Talk about high angle! The snipers were rotated so they got to spend some of the holidays with their families.

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What is long range? Boy aint that the question of the day! We havent really had a major improvement in Firearm Technology since the invent of the AR or AK. Not to say they havent been improved, they have, better, lighter, more accurate and practical but still the same basic gun. Even bullets and casings have been highly optimized to the point that if they were any better, they would just be banned. The next revolution is under way, Electronics and Sensors, weve had threads on some first generation stuff but with processing power doubling, size shrinking with power requirements dropping as well, were on the verge of some real reach out and touch someone technology hitting the markets.

I dont know how the government is going to react to this cause thats one of the big fears, looooong distance accuracy and the single shooter. Thats the hardest scenario to predict and with the right toys, a 50 cal can fly further than any circle of protection can provide. The day of the POTUS in a bubble has arrived.

Its exciting to be alive to see these things happen even if i still love my old firesticks to death!

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The title gives it away.
YEP. THAT's what a "title" is supposed to do...
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I'd define long range as farther than I can shoot with iron sights....

.......a number that seems to get smaller every year

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Vallejo,

I agree with Woodworker, JonM and especially what Webley stated. Long distance means a lot of different things to different people and also regarding specific weapons.
If you are speaking about high power rifles in general, for the high power shooter it usually applies to targets in excess of 500 yards or more and as stated depending on the caliber also. 500 yards for a 50 BMG, Barrett 416, or 338 Lapua for example is like shooting a 22 at 25 yards. While if using a 7.62X51, 308cal. 500 could be considered as the beginning long range. With 1000 yards being about the ultimate consistency for the 7.62X51 / 308cal. round. But 1000 yards for the 50 BMG and similar calibers is long range but not a great feat! For example in the sniper schools we have fired the 50 BMG fired on E-Silhouette targets consistently and successfully at 2200 meters. 1 Meter = 1.09 Yards. 2200 Meters = 2398 Yards. That is truly considered long range even for the 50 BMG and similar rounds. So to the point 200-300 yards could be considered long range for the average varmint hunter shooting a 17 Remington or 204 for instance. As stated by all the above friends here on the FTF. Long range is an open topic and very subjective. But what ever one enjoys, long range is rewarding to your skill and personal accomplishment and understanding. Elevation, Temperature, Light and certainly Wind Reading skill developlment. Word to the wise! If you do not want to get "Bit by the Bug and Hooked! DO NOT DO IT! The main issue is finding a place to do it!

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I shot a lot of firearms at what some would call long range. Personally, my idea of long range isnt what the firearm or bullet is doing, its the push beyond a shooters personal limits.

When I shoot my .338 Lapua, 900-1000 yards isn't long range to me as I do it enough that I can slap it up squeeze the trigger and the bullet lands where I want it to without needing much effort. To some its long range, to me its a Wednesday. But pushing it further out to 1400+ yards is more than a Wednesday for me, I need a little more effort into it.

I think it is also going to depend on your equipment. If you running a BORS system on a sweet nightforce optic for a 416 Barrett, well then you've taken the skill out of it, your not shooting long range any longer, your pulling the trigger after pushing a button.

Though I do think the thought of long range does have to do with the firearm, the ammunition, and some other factors, but I think the biggest impact as to what long range is depends on the shooters ability. If you can re-build a 308 Mauser and zip it into a 9 inch dinner plate at 900 yards using a scope purchased at Wal-mart and no other equipment, then you've broken into the realm of personal capability.

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How often, can most, is it really possible, (etc.) for a l o n g range shooter to hit a 9 inch target with the very first shot? That is, without seeing what their correction(s) should be?

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How often, can most, is it really possible, (etc.) for a l o n g range shooter to hit an 9 inch target with the very first shot? That is, without seeing what their correction(s) should be?
Long range is fine, if there is a use for it, to the average shooter.

Generally speaking, I have no use for a shot past 300 yards, in my

hunting situations. So I concentrate on improving my accuracy at

100,200, and 300 yards, and making the "ethical shot" which is going

to take prey down quickly and humanely. IMHO, MOA within my usage

range is more worthy of my reloading time and effort.
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For me it is any thing over 200 yards !...............

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