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Old 06-28-2011, 11:03 PM   #1
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Me and my brother were having a discussion the other day about army issue sniper rifles. we had an argument about what rifle americans sniped with in Vietnam.. I thought winchester model 70, he was thinking Remington 700.

More specifically, what the famed Carlos Hathcock used i his ventures.

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Old 06-28-2011, 11:05 PM   #2
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Chuck Mawhinnwy:

Chuck Mawhinney: Top Ten Snipers: Military Channel

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Carlos, and his instructor/mentor Chuck Mawhinney, used off the shelf Winchester Model 70's in .30-06

The Remington 700 was not introduced until later in the "war" and was a long action with a .308 caliber round that was not loved by those on the ground that had already fielded the superior range and power of the .30-06 cartridge.

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Mawhinney and Hathcock both shunned the 700 when it was introduced and held onto the Model 70 in .30-06 for as long as the could.

If you read the Chandler's series on Mawhinney and Hathcock, (Death from Afar) you will find field pictures of both with the Model 70 and talk of the .30-06 round in use.

"One Shot, One Kill" 93 Confirmed Kills is also a very good read where Carlos' exploits are documented and they do talk about the change over between the Model 70 to the Model 700.
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M16a1, springfield 1903a4, m1c garand, m1d garand, m14, mod 700, mod 70, m2 browning were all used to some extent or other. there was no "official" sniper weapon until late in the vietnam conflict. the reason for this was sniping was abandoned at the end of ww2 then re-instated for korea and abandoned again the finally fully adopted as a core military mos and discipline in the 70's.

sniper recruitment was pretty much "hey this guy looks like he can shoot give him a scope!!"

pretty much anything that could be scoped was drafted into sniping duty. there was no official sniper rifle until the mod 700 was adopted

there were a LOT more snipers than just hathcock and the 4 or 5 that are well known.

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there were a LOT more snipers than just hathcock and the 4 or 5 that are well known.
When I was in Vietnam I didn't see nearly as many snipers as
there are on these forums. Most of the snipers I saw were on the other
side. As a matter of fact, I was nearly a statistic. I still walk with a limp.
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By the way, his biography (Carlos Hathcock) is one REALY good book.
It tells you how him and his spotter pined down a company of NVA (in detail) his personal life and alot more...

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OK first things first.

Carlos and Chuck where USMC Snipers NOT US ARMY Snipers.

Carlos also used a Browning M2 Machine gun with an 10x Unertal scope he mounted on it. I do believe he made a 2300 yard kill with that setup.

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I have heard that story before how Hathcock mounted a scope on a Ma Deuce and used it as a sniper rifle. To say that i am sceptical of such a thing would be the understatement of the year. I would REALLY like to see some evidence of that.

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