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Old 03-22-2014, 11:57 PM   #21
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It never amazes me what people will do to a rifle. Once again,you couldn't give me a truck load of these old relics.
I'm just not a fan of the Mosin!
That's all good. I take mine out quite frequently. I love shooting 6" pumpkins in the early winter w/ a 180gr out of my 91/30 PU. Shows the true potential. You can put them at 400 yards, result is the same. Don't underestimate what you don't really know about. JMHO. Better have everyone cut up their 1903's and K98's also.
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many times and many of us are guilty of it, that we put more money into something than it's worth, simply because we view it as a labor of love. realistically, we know we will never recoup the money and time we have in if we sell, but will do it anyways.

if i were to sell my Savage 17 hmr rifle for what i have invested in it, i would have to sell if for well over $650 to recoup my money. i know no one in his right mind and knows about guns is going to pay that amount for my rifle.
IMHO, it's a type of project, where you have to realize, from the start,

that you will never resell the rifle at the value of it's parts. I met a gentleman

at a range a couple years ago with a Mosin much like this one. He also

had a bull barrel upon it. It was an accurate shooter, in the extreme.

He was passionate about the build. He even gave me a couple PPU

cartridges to try. I'm sure I'm not the only one he's given some

free ammo to. I don't think he was worried about getting dollar

value back out of the build. He was simply challenged to make an

extremely accurate Mosin.
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IMHO, it's a type of project, where you have to realize, from the start,

that you will never resell the rifle at the value of it's parts. I met a gentleman

at a range a couple years ago with a Mosin much like this one. He also

had a bull barrel upon it. It was an accurate shooter, in the extreme.

He was passionate about the build. He even gave me a couple PPU

cartridges to try. I'm sure I'm not the only one he's given some

free ammo to. I don't think he was worried about getting dollar

value back out of the build. He was simply challenged to make an

extremely accurate Mosin.

I fail to see how a bunch of "tactical" stuff is going to make the Mosin Nagant any more accurate or efficient than a Mosin Nagant in the plain brown wrapper. Everything that one can reasonably do to increase the accuracy of a 91/30 can be done with the plain wood stock.

A neighbor has a M44 with a scope, after market stock, all the bells and whistles. For some reason he is still hunting with a 243 handi rifle that has a scope mounted on it with a hose clamp. He claims he has no ammo for the M44. I have called him numerous times when I ordered ammo for my rifle. He never gets any ammo for the rifle. I finally came to the conclusion that he doesn't want any ammo for the M44. It is a wall hanger and that is all the M44 will ever be.
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I fail to see how a bunch of "tactical" stuff is going to make the Mosin Nagant any more accurate or efficient than a Mosin Nagant in the plain brown wrapper. Everything that one can reasonably do to increase the accuracy of a 91/30 can be done with the plain wood stock.
A muzzle break, well designed adjustable polymer stock, Timney trigger,

high quality scope, and mount are hardly "tactical".

I would respectfully submit that these all have an effect upon

accuracy.

As to the M44, some folks like it, some don't. So what?
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IMHO, it's a type of project, where you have to realize, from the start,

that you will never resell the rifle at the value of it's parts. I met a gentleman

at a range a couple years ago with a Mosin much like this one. He also

had a bull barrel upon it. It was an accurate shooter, in the extreme.

He was passionate about the build. He even gave me a couple PPU

cartridges to try. I'm sure I'm not the only one he's given some

free ammo to. I don't think he was worried about getting dollar

value back out of the build. He was simply challenged to make an

extremely accurate Mosin.

thank you Wolf for understanding what i understood.

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I fail to see how a bunch of "tactical" stuff is going to make the Mosin Nagant any more accurate or efficient than a Mosin Nagant in the plain brown wrapper. Everything that one can reasonably do to increase the accuracy of a 91/30 can be done with the plain wood stock.

A neighbor has a M44 with a scope, after market stock, all the bells and whistles. For some reason he is still hunting with a 243 handi rifle that has a scope mounted on it with a hose clamp. He claims he has no ammo for the M44. I have called him numerous times when I ordered ammo for my rifle. He never gets any ammo for the rifle. I finally came to the conclusion that he doesn't want any ammo for the M44. It is a wall hanger and that is all the M44 will ever be.
JD, i fully understand i can go and buy a modern bolt action rifle that for half the amount of money spent that would be far more accurate than this old war horse probably ever would be. it's rather obvious that you only view guns in like some view cars, a way to get from Point A to point B, a tool and nothing more. some of us view them as more and the money spent, is money we know if we did sell would never be recovered. we enjoy the time and the challenges of a project. this was lost on you the moment you first read the article to begin with. it's something that if by this stage of your life, you don't understand, or can't comprehend, you probably never will.
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I fail to see how a bunch of "tactical" stuff is going to make the Mosin Nagant any more accurate or efficient than a Mosin Nagant in the plain brown wrapper. Everything that one can reasonably do to increase the accuracy of a 91/30 can be done with the plain wood stock.

A neighbor has a M44 with a scope, after market stock, all the bells and whistles. For some reason he is still hunting with a 243 handi rifle that has a scope mounted on it with a hose clamp. He claims he has no ammo for the M44. I have called him numerous times when I ordered ammo for my rifle. He never gets any ammo for the rifle. I finally came to the conclusion that he doesn't want any ammo for the M44. It is a wall hanger and that is all the M44 will ever be.
Truth is, it's a bear to shoot. It was only issued for guard duty. I got mine apparently unfired, and eventually sold it. Now I am working on a Finn Mosin, to see what it can do with modern glass and everything else original.
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A muzzle break, well designed adjustable polymer stock, Timney trigger,

high quality scope, and mount are hardly "tactical".

I would respectfully submit that these all have an effect upon

accuracy.

As to the M44, some folks like it, some don't. So what?
I did nothing to my 91/30 but clean it up, shim out the barrel and find some good ammo for it. It is as accurate as a rifle can get with open sights. I never considered a scope for it. I have a hard enough time keeping a scope on zero with weaver mounts. I really have my doubts that a scope will hold zero with any of the mounts I have seen. Yes, I have seen people shoot sub moa groups on youtube with a 91/30. I could have bought a nice Weatherby Mark IV for what they had in a 91/30 with a dubious scope mount.
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[QUOTE=John_Deer;1537313]I fail to see how a bunch of "tactical" stuff is going to make the Mosin Nagant any more accurate or efficient than a Mosin Nagant in the plain brown wrapper. Everything that one can reasonably do to increase the accuracy of a 91/30 can be done with the plain wood stock.

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Who wants to live life with just a plain brown wrapper? Let's all drive black cars with plain steel wheels. Let's all wear the same clothes. God forbid anybody should do something different.

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people fix up old cars all of the time for the thrill of the 'doing', not to increase their value. I see a project like this in those terms - the guy wanted to do the build, that was the reward. If you just go buy a brand new Ruger American out of the box, yes it is going to be more accurate but you don't have an interesting project to do over the winter either.........

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