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Old 10-13-2013, 12:49 AM   #11
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When I was in basic training in the summer of 2002 at fort lost in the woods, we shot steel cased ammo only. I never shot brass cased ammo the entire training...
Not russian or ukrainian? The caliber is 100% foreign to those manufacturers, their militaries could not care less.

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Not russian or ukrainian? The caliber is 100% foreign to those manufacturers, their militaries could not care less.
Ukraine, Georgia, Romania and some other former Soviet block countries are adopting 5.56 into their armories. The Russian AK12 will have 5.56 as a factory alternative.

You do have a point.
I'm not sure it really matters where steel case ammo is made what matters is the combination of the steel, the propellant and the coatings. As far as their comparability with the Direct impingement ARs. Hornady uses Russian Steel cases in their training ammo line, but their own projectiles and propellant.
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Was out shooting my ar-15. Was using two boxes of Tula 223 my wife picked up at Walmart. Two rounds out of every box my extractor ripped a chuck out of the ring and then I had to use a cleaning rod to knock them out. Anyone else have this problem with Tula. I know my wife's bt380 don't like Tula either. Think I'm never buying it again.
I actually had the exact same thing happen to me a couple weeks ago ! Out of about 80 rounds it only happened once. Granted it was the first time I have fired Tula through it. Also heard the same thing from the old timers at the range "don't shoot steel case" !
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For training purposes I see nothing wrong with steel ammo. I hunt with Brown Bear in my 91/30. I buy ammo that is as accurate as my needs. For $150 I got enough 203 gr SP ammo to last for several years.
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What many fail to consider is the Russian 7.62mm rounds were designd from the ground up as steel cased. There is a pronounced body taper that helps the steel expand to seal off the chamber. A relatively straight bodied case, like the 5.56 X 45 does not have this feature. Steel cases in 5.56 tend to allow more gas to escape, reducing efficiency and increasing fouling.

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I've shot tons of steel cased Tula in .45 ACP without any problems.

I only recently purchased a 5.56mm rifle. A Golani (Galil clone). Again, no problems with steel cased.

I've never had a round fail to fire, extract, or any other issue. IT IS DIRTY!!! I don't mind cleaning my firearms and it does take a some extra elbow grease getting things to where I like them but I don't mind the extra cleaning as opposed to the extra cost.

That said, not all semiautos are built the same and if your firearm is having problems with the ammo, it may not be that the ammo is junk, it may just be ill-suited for your particular gun. I know when I find a brand of ammo that my semiauto .22's don't seem to like (the mother of all finicky autoloaders) I just try to avoid it. Fortunately, I don't have ammo picky weapons but I do notice that seem brands have more issues than others and it is rarely the same brand between weapons.

For the OP, if I was seeing any problems with a particular brand through my rifle, damn right I'd quit using it. Again though, doesn't mean Tula is junk as I've never had a single problem other than the maintenance issue.
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I had a round of Tula do the exact same thing to me a week ago at the range.
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