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Old 04-09-2010, 06:07 AM   #31
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If you have the funds get an HK 416.

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If you have the funds get the 222 and a colt python --two guns and a big smile on your face when your buddies come over--They will give you high fives also I'm not going to give up on you" get wood "--who wants recycled Walmart bags on your gun .I'm not against going green but walnut is probably from the great state of Missouri and it will help out the people in the Ozarks

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Thinking about price, what about this one: Kel-Tec SU-16D

It chambers the 5.56 instead of the .223, a slightly more powerful round, right? Also, it accepts AR-15 magazines, which allows for a much more open range of choices. The picatinny rails would help for an appropriate scope.

Would I be sorry with this one? Remember my goals are -cheap -can hunt little and medium game -can protect against zombie hordes -tide me over until I can afford an AR-15 and appropriate hunting rifles.



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I'm sorry Chris. What is your budget please? I mean, the real, really-really REAL world budget that you are willing to spend/finance..... based on that criteria that you listed.

I don't know anything about that weapon, and to be honest I am a bit skeptical, so I would like to know if there are other options I can come up with that I am familiar with based on personal experience.

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I'm sorry Chris. What is your budget please? I mean, the real, really-really REAL world budget that you are willing to spend/finance..... based on that criteria that you listed.

I don't know anything about that weapon, and to be honest I am a bit skeptical, so I would like to know if there are other options I can come up with that I am familiar with based on personal experience.

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Well, doing a bit more looking, it appears that the Kel-Tec SU-16 Delta is geared toward law enforcement and lives around $750. The Alpha (shown below) and Charlie versions live in the $500 range.

I'm still a bit wary of Kel-Tec and want to be convinced that it is too temporary a possibility. The company has a good warranty, but if SHTF, I wouldn't be going to a company for parts. The Ruger Mini-14 is about $720 and seems to be more main-stream.

I was just throwing out the SU-16 as an option that should be on this thread.


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The Alpha (shown below) and Charlie versions live in the $500 range.
So, is around $500 your end all, beat all budget for this need to be filled??
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I think the Kel-Tech rifle looks real cheaply made. The one I seen had a plastic front sight. I don't think you would be happy with it.
I dont know if you are aware that the Ruger Mini-14 shoots 5.56 and .223

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.223/Relatively cheap and easy to come by.
If cost is a major concern go with the Ruger Mini 14.
If you can afford a little more, the AR 15 platform will give you virtually unlimited adaptablity with reach and accuracy potential the Mini can not match.
I started with this Bushmaster and the Eotech Holographic projection site. Great SHTF package!
Recently picked up J&S free floated 20" complete upper w/Leupold VX 3 Scope.
I'd have no concern with taking everything from squirls, "though I've heard there high in cholestorol", up to Mule Deer with the 20" barrel. It's all about shot placement anyway.
Of course most jurisdictions restrict deer hunting to .24 caliber or larger but if were talking SHTF time, who cares?





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Nope, $999 is the scratch for this particular itch, but it really needs to include a goodly amount of ammo. The KelTec does seem a bit plasticky and I don't plan on modding the thing up.

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Really I think a caliber other than 223 or 308 would make a better all around gun. For ammo if you really want to be prepared you just stocks lots and lots of ammo for it.

A 25 cal round would make much more sense to me. You have the ability to use very light varmint bullets or heavier bullets to take animals to up elk if you need to.

I highly doubt hunting will last all that long seeing as there are a lot of people trying to feed their families with wild game and in reality it will not support the pressure. If ammo was not a factor I would use a 25-08 or 257 roberts. for my all around gun. highly accurate out to plenty of distance for a SHTF gun with knock down power for anything from a squirrel to an Elk.....

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