Sub 2000 .40 round - Page 3
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > General Rifle Discussion > Sub 2000 .40 round

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-07-2013, 01:14 AM   #21
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,398
Liked 281 Times on 222 Posts
Likes Given: 32

Default

DO NOT Use a Solid bullet for thin skinned game. Don't do it. Just shows a person lack of hunting skill to use a fmj bullet . You don't even use a flat nose hard cast on non-dangerous game and it does do more damage than a fmj design. Even a geat heart shoot from a fmj can allow a deer to run off and then you have set and weight for it to die before looking for it and hopeing you find it. A Hot load with a bonded HP will get enough depth to make a good kill shot. Or a softer lead gas check swc drive hard will do but you will have to load them your self.

__________________
hardluk1 is offline  
Anna_Purna Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 02:32 AM   #22
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
 
robocop10mm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Austin,Texas, by God!!
Posts: 10,329
Liked 2993 Times on 1560 Posts
Likes Given: 278

Default

You are getting some conflicting information here. Let me try to put it into some sort of sense;

A .40 is NOT generally considered an acceptable hunting round. CAN it kill a deer? Of course. Out of a carbine it should be capable of attaining 10mm like energy levels.

Deer are thin skinned game, but are tougher than humans. Bones protect the vital organs. A light, fast hollowpoint has a better than average chance of NOT penetrating sufficiently to do the job.

FMJ's are the alternative in factory ammo. FMJ FP bullets will likely acheive sufficient penetration, but are not likely to do sufficient damage to the organs penetrated to humanely kill a deer.

Soft points are very difficult to find in .401 diameter so they are essentially off the table. Good, bonded hollow points MAY be the only realistic alternative. As hollow points are notorious for violent expansion you need to maximize the probability of adequate penetration.

To attain penetration, weight is your friend. 180 gr bullets would be my ONLY choice. "Bonded" hollowpoints in this weight class should be adequate. My personal preference would be the Speer Gold Dot. DO NOT use the load made for "Short Barrels" as the powder used is maximized for subcompact pistols. You may get much reduced velocity out of a carbine.

No matter what ammo you choose, chronograph the load through your gun and calculate the energy. Make sure you are getting at least 1150 fps to get over the 500 ft/lb threshhold

__________________

In life, strive to take the high road....It offers a better field of fire.
"Robo is right" Fuzzball

robocop10mm is offline  
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 05:37 PM   #23
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
primer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6,663
Liked 2573 Times on 1673 Posts

Default

I am not worried about you injuring a deer. From the questions you are asking you will have to find a blind and deaf deer to get a shot on it. But then again even a blind squirrel will find a nut.[/QUOTE]

John deer: Ever hear of bowhunting?

__________________

Feral cat waterboarder

primer1 is offline  
Axxe55 Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2013, 12:25 AM   #24
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
flybuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Fort Myers
Posts: 184
Liked 62 Times on 40 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

I can see your desire to hunt with the Sub...I just got one and am quite impressed with it. At 4 lbs and 16 X 7 folded, you can pack it easily. It's a simple, easy to shoot weapon with excellent accuracy. I've never hunted with a .40 though and defer giving any advice on that for lack of experience/knowledge. Let us know how it works out.

__________________
flybuddy is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2013, 09:24 AM   #25
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
cblowe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 583
Liked 82 Times on 59 Posts

Default

I have an 7 inch group with the sub 2000 at 50 yards with the open sights. That's with target loads. Picking up some hotter loads to test. I don't feel very comfortable with a 7 inch group but I have salt lick out at 25 yards which I can keep a very tight group at. I have tons of wt on the trail camera at the distance. Hopefully they will keep at this distance. Unless I get my groups tighter for a clean kill, I will not take a shout outside of 40. Doubt I would have to anyways. But I want some ballistic test with the 2k.

__________________
cblowe13 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2013, 12:23 AM   #26
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Salvo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: High Cihuahuan Desert, West Texas
Posts: 379
Liked 185 Times on 124 Posts
Likes Given: 33

Default

I'd get another gun for hunting deer, and use the 2k for its intended purpose.

__________________

Kind Regards, Salvo

Salvo is offline  
2
People Like This 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2013, 09:37 AM   #27
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
cblowe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 583
Liked 82 Times on 59 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Salvo
I'd get another gun for hunting deer, and use the 2k for its intended purpose.
Yeah I have other hunting rifles there guy. I just want to try it. I use it for close range.
__________________
cblowe13 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2013, 01:18 PM   #28
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,398
Liked 281 Times on 222 Posts
Likes Given: 32

Default

Ok I am one that said go for it. But 7" groups?? I was thinking it could not possibly group worse than 3" at 50 yards. If you can't mount a red dot to use to shirk groups leave it at home better yet sell it and buy good handgun to hunt with. My revolvers I hunt with , 357 or 44 DW with red dot groups half that size at 100yards from a rest. I always loved a challenge too but first off a firearm has to be accurate enough for a quality shot. That KT is not. Using it only to 25 yards !! That's open sight handgun range or short bow range. Trade for a good used compound bow if you don't have one. Easy to learn and a darn site more accurate at 50 yards. It is bow season in many states.

__________________
hardluk1 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2013, 01:35 AM   #29
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
flybuddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Fort Myers
Posts: 184
Liked 62 Times on 40 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

The sub is new to me and I've only shot it at a dimly lit indoor range with a max of 25 yards. On my 2nd mag that I shot with it I had 16 of 17 rounds in the bullseye. I don't see that shooting at 50 yards is going to make that BIG a difference. It has decent sights and minimal recoil--should be accurate.

010-768x1024-.jpg  
__________________
flybuddy is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2013, 02:26 AM   #30
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
cblowe13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 583
Liked 82 Times on 59 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by flybuddy
The sub is new to me and I've only shot it at a dimly lit indoor range with a max of 25 yards. On my 2nd mag that I shot with it I had 16 of 17 rounds in the bullseye. I don't see that shooting at 50 yards is going to make that BIG a difference. It has decent sights and minimal recoil--should be accurate.
That's my exact grouping at 25 but for me changed drastically at 50! And hardluk I have a raging bull 44 mag I hunt with I have a pse to hunt with I also have many rifles. I just wanted to test the waters. But as I just said I'm going to get my groups tighter before I take it to the woods!
__________________
cblowe13 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
A ten-round mag in a thirty round mag shell .. scottmac General Rifle Discussion 4 01-14-2013 09:42 PM
kel tec sub 2000 for 177$ beastmode986 General Rifle Discussion 1 09-21-2012 01:47 AM
9mm Glock with 30 round mag vs masterpiece arms mac 11 with 30 round mag Hdq Glock Forum 1 08-17-2012 05:02 PM
sub 2000 jjfuller1 Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion 3 10-10-2011 04:35 PM
Is there a .380acp Round that has some POWER Hollow Point and or +P Round Possibly??? CAMCHAMPION1988 Ammunition & Reloading 7 10-08-2011 07:47 AM