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Old 07-23-2009, 12:27 AM   #1
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Default Strange musket, need help id'ing

Ok, we've had this musket in our family for at most 200yrs, and I'm not entirely sure as what model this weapon is. It's a .69cal flintlock (converted to percussion during the Civil War by a family member), smoothbore, possibly a Brown Bess mod?, and made by Sutherland. The top of the barrel near the action has some engravings and "LONDON" on it. It no longer fires due to a jammed musketball (wee're getting it fixed), but the mechanicle aspects are original and work well but could use a bit tightening.

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Old 07-23-2009, 02:28 AM   #2
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Well, I will not pretend to be an expert on English Flintlocks converted to percussion (did not even get to stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night)

HOWEVER- possible that Sutherland was the maker of the lock, not the gun. It was not uncommon for gunmakers to purchase locks, or even to sub-contract the manufacture of locks. And I did run across a reference to a pair of Sutherlands- either brothers or father/son, that were lockmakers. Ramsay and Richard (R&R Sutherland) that had contracts for locks as far back as 1809.

In my VERY limited experience with British military arms, since they were the property of the crown, they were usually marked with the initials of the monarch- such as GR (for George Rex) along with the British Broad Arrow mark. The brass support on the side opposite the lock also does not appear military in nature.

IF the nipple has the correct thread, one fairly safe means of removing a stuck ball and charge (altho messy) is to replace the nipple with a Zerk grease fitting- attach a grease gun, and pump. Grease pushes charge and ball out of the bore, leaving you a bore full of grease (gentle heat will make that flow)

Hope someone else can offer more help- but congrats on a nice bit of history.
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Sutherland was a Southern Armorer in Richmond Va. During the Civil War. He altered flintlock muskets to percussion ignition systems among other things. He didn't cut the stock down. That was done after the war to make a lighter weight shotgun, a common practice.
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