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Old 11-24-2011, 10:31 PM   #1
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My friend Ryan and I went to the range yesterday.I was doing some load testing with the 458 SOCOM,and Ryan needed to check the zero on his deer rifle.
A man and his teenage son sat a couple benches down from us.The father had just purchased a couple rifles for them to go hog hunting.I wasn't paying much attention to them,but Ryan nudged me and wanted me to see what they were trying to do.
From what I saw,I started laughing.The father was trying to use a laser boresight tool on the first rifle.It's a bright sunny day,that boresighter isn't going to work in the sunlight.
The range was still HOT,so I was shooting the test loads.When the RO called the range COLD,the father asked why he couldn't see the laser,I informed him that they don't work very good in the sunlight,and offered to get him on paper by looking thru the bore.He declined.
After he wasted about 4-5 shots,he then asked if we could help him.Ryan went down and helped them out.I started asking the father about the rifles that they had.He said that he hadn't shot in a long time,and wanted to go hunting with his son.I asked him if his son had shot before,and he said yeah he's shot a few rimfires,but this is his first centerfire rifle.So I was thinking great,he got his son a really nice 243 for a first rifle.

Nope,The rifle was a Remington 700 SF 7mm Magnum with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40.
What the hell,your going to start a 14yo kid with a 7mm Mag-That's what I was thinking!
I told him he might have bought too big of a gun for his son,his answer-He'll get used to it.Ryan sighted it thru the bore,and the father asked if he'd shoot it a couple times.So,now it's sighted in,and the son gets behind it.
First shot,knocked the snot out of the boy.But he did hit the target.The boy shot 5-6 shots,and each time his shooting just got worse.
That rifle was beating him to death,and you could see him start to flinch before he pulled the trigger.

Next,the father pulls out his new rifle,a Benelli R1 338 Win Mag with a Trijicon Accupoint 2.5-10x56 scope on it.
I'm thinking,This guy's got plenty of $$$$,but absolutely no common sense.Why would anyone that hasn't shot in years go out and buy guns that are way too powerful for them,and for someone that has never shot anything bigger than a 22lr.
Ryan was getting ready to leave,so the father asked if I would help him sight it in.I've always wanted to shot an R1,so I said OK.
First shot was way low,and right,adjusted the scope-2 shots later,had it in the center ring.
I really enjoyed shooting this rifle,being an auto loader,the recoil felt like a 300WM-not too bad.I'm not a fan of the Triangle reticle of the Accupoint,a crosshair of some type would be so much better.
The father then shot it several times,and not very well at that.

I really don't think the hogs have to worry too much with these two shooting.

I hope the father hasn't ruined his sons enjoyment of shooting firearms by getting him a caliber that neither one of them are ready for.

Some people shouldn't buy guns!

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Old 11-24-2011, 10:42 PM   #2
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Remington 700 SF 7mm Magnum with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40.
Dam! Lucky lil 14 yr old
Too bad he doe'nt have a better teacher
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I have seen even worse happen. I was shooting out in the desert when I saw a truck with two adult guys and a boy about 10 years-old in it pull up. All three of them were dressed in camouflage from head to toe, combat boots and all. I could clearly hear them talking. They were there to give the boy a shooting lesson. They both had an SKS with the 30-round magazine modification. They both fired a full magazine at waist level as fast as they could pull the trigger. They told the boy, "That's how its done." They handed the boy a Ruger 10/22 with a banana clip and said something like, "Here, you give it a try." The boy started pulling the trigger and spraying lead all over the place. The two guys clapped their hands, cheered and patted the boy on the back, telling him what a good job he did. I had to see this happen to believe it.

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I have seen even worse happen. I was shooting out in the desert when I saw a truck with two adult guys and a boy about 10 years-old in it pull up. All three of them were dressed in camouflage from head to toe, combat boots and all. I could clearly hear them talking. They were there to give the boy a shooting lesson. They both had an SKS with the 30-round magazine modification. They both fired a full magazine at waist level as fast as they could pull the trigger. They told the boy, "That's how its done." They handed the boy a Ruger 10/22 with a banana clip and said something like, "Here, you give it a try." The boy started pulling the trigger and spraying lead all over the place. The two guys clapped their hands, cheered and patted the boy on the back, telling him what a good job he did. I had to see this happen to believe it.
Around where i live thats called an a$$ whipping in the making.
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I have seen even worse happen. I was shooting out in the desert when I saw a truck with two adult guys and a boy about 10 years-old in it pull up. All three of them were dressed in camouflage from head to toe, combat boots and all. I could clearly hear them talking. They were there to give the boy a shooting lesson. They both had an SKS with the 30-round magazine modification. They both fired a full magazine at waist level as fast as they could pull the trigger. They told the boy, "That's how its done." They handed the boy a Ruger 10/22 with a banana clip and said something like, "Here, you give it a try." The boy started pulling the trigger and spraying lead all over the place. The two guys clapped their hands, cheered and patted the boy on the back, telling him what a good job he did. I had to see this happen to believe it.
Thats just wrong on so many levels
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Have 2 daughters and 2 granddaughters that give guys like that a SEVERE inferiority complex. While the guys are using the "spray and pray" technique, the ladies are punching out the X ring. My sons are also good shots, but being that one of them is retired USMC, that is sorta expected.

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Around where i live thats called an a$$ whipping in the making.
That's what might have happened. I left shortly after witnessing those idiots pull their stunt but I could see some other shooters who were visibly unhappy about what they were witnessing. I have the feeling they confronted the clowns and let them know they found their antics to be unacceptable.
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Have 2 daughters and 2 granddaughters that give guys like that a SEVERE inferiority complex. While the guys are using the "spray and pray" technique, the ladies are punching out the X ring. My sons are also good shots, but being that one of them is retired USMC, that is sorta expected.
Several times I have seen female shooters put on a marksmanship clinic. All of the women I know who are avid shooters are pretty good at it. One lady I met while shooting shot just before me and showed what she could do. I just shook my head and said, "I hope you don't expect me to shoot like that." It turns out that she was a police detective.
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The dad's heart was in the right place but obviously his skill level and brains were out of tune.

Somewhere there is a gun store happy for the sale. But by selling this guy something way beyond his or his son's capability to shoot, the store has lost potentially several future sales. These folks will get beat by the guns and may not have fun on the hunt, so they may be discouraged from hunting and shooting in the future, and will buy no more firearms.

The help you gave them on the range is great. That may be the best help they get.

The community at our local range is great, especially for youth shooters. The adult shooters are pretty good about letting kids on the range try out their firearms (of course, with their parents permission). And where there are technical problems, most folks are willing to pitch in and help educate.

I think back to the Scoutmaster - Hunter Safety Instructor that ran the Boy Scout Troop I was in as a kid. He was teaching a bunch of 11 year olds how to shoot, and many took their first shots under his watchful eye. I've lost track of him and many of the Scouts, but many that I still see around still shoot thanks to Mr. C.

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My only worry is the son may be entirely put off by

such a negative experience.

IMHO, some folks are just bound to become

fishermen...

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