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Old 04-26-2014, 06:36 AM   #11
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"The guy shooting the AK-47 was a gun expert"

Self proclaimed on Youtube? Expert on the AK?
Or maybe it was the Airsoft? Some of the gun
experts that TV shows come up with I wouldn't trust
with my Red Ryder. They might put an eye out.
The two shooters were chosen by discovery channel, so I guess they weren't the first 2 rednecks met on the street.
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Expert in knowledge does not mean expert in practice.
True.But....how can you define yourself a true gun expert if you don't know the basics of marksmanship?Hitting a man sized target at 200 m is not something exceptional.
If they guys of Discovery Channel want to make a realistic accuracy comparison between two rifles, they should look for skilled people and "pristine-conditions" weapons.
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From personal experience, my forged/milled receiver Arsenal SLR-101S consistently shoots between 3" and 3.5" at 100 yards with iron sights using Golden Tiger FMJ ammunition. From personal experience, my forged/milled receiver Colt AR6720 consistently shoots between 2.75" and 3.25" at 100 yards with iron sights using Federal XM193.

I don't shoot the AK a lot a 200 yards, but from experience the width of the front sight post and the sighting mechanism poses some problems for me at that distance.

With my Colt AR6720 (lightweight AR-15 variant, same barrel diameter as the M-16A1 and same type of sighting mechanism and front sight post width but approximately the same distance between front/rear sight as the AK), 200 yards is not a problem.

The SLR-101S and AR6720 are about as close to apples-to-apples as one can get in a comparison between the two carbine types. Both have relatively thin 16" barrels with birdcage flash suppressors with roughly the same sight radius, both were properly constructed and assembled, and they both cost around 1K. Neither has had any special trigger modifications or other machining to enhance accuracy.

The only real difference between the two, apart from the obvious, is the width/shape of the front sight post and the rear sight aperture. The notch and post, for many people, myself included, is more difficult to precisely align than the ring and post. Perhaps it's a training issue, but the width of the AK's front sight makes precise shooting at distances over 150 yards or so problematic for me.

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IMO, the wrong rifle for the task at hand. Also there are a lot of expert shooters on you tube.

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Why do people so love to compare

ARs and AKs.

In general terms (which specifically means

NOT talking about 2000 $ AKs and top-

end ammo[hello, lurkers]) the standard

meat and potatoes AK and milsurp ammo

is, to be kind, well-tested at 200M. That's

the reason mine's a safe queen, and the AR

usually makes it on the bus.

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I have a WASAR 10-63 and while I cannot guarantee I could shoot an apple of your head with one shot at 200 yards I'll bet I could shoot your head out from underneath said apple with one shot.
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I have a WASAR 10-63 and while I cannot guarantee I could shoot an apple of your head with one shot at 200 yards I'll bet I could shoot your head out from underneath said apple with one shot.
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Default Shooting a man-size target with a AK 47 and missing it at 200m(220 yards)

A guy shoots five rounds on you tube, misses 4 times and this means no one can hit anything with an AK-47 more than 1/5th of the time?! And all ARs are better? Based on 5 rounds and 1 video?!?!

First things first, when you are comparing the two guns, you have to realise that a .223 round is nothing more than a long .22 round with a lot of gunpowder behind it while an AK-47 round is .3mm BIGGER than a 308.

It takes less less money to make an accurate shooting .223. It's a smaller, lighter round, parts can be made cheaper and still function adequately. Parts that function well are cheaper too. A person can build a fairly accurate shooting AR for under $400.00 with very basic knowledge. There's a million and one places to buy the parts and a million and two guides to put them together.

An AK-47 takes more money. Parts are more expensive. Good parts are harder to buy. Cheaper parts are more prone to fail or have problems.

This means that it is much easier and cheaper to get your hands on an okay shooting AR-15 than it is to get your hands on an okay shooting AK-47.

IT DOESNT mean ARs are better than AKs.
IT DOESNT mean that it's impossible (or even terribly difficult) to find an AK that could do the job at that range.

Both an AR and an AK will shoot man sized targets out to 500 meters if they are well made, well maintained and well handled. They won't be spot on, but they will do the job if nothing else is available and enough rounds are fired. My friends who spent time in the dirt pit tell me the AK will do it better through concrete and brick.

But if we are speaking of junk we spent $400 on at the pawn shop, if you are shooting 200 yards and farther, you probably don't want to be shooting either. Any hunting rifle worth the powder it takes to shoot it will probably serve you better than a mass produced cheap junk AR or AK once you are outside of 150.

In fact your local law enforcement guys are already sending in the guy with the 308, 7mm mag or 300 mag at that range. And they have the money to buy whatever they want for engaging man sized targets. That video says literally NOTHING.


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indoor range that has a 200 yard distance, where is this at??

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indoor range that has a 200 yard distance, where is this at??
I don't know...type "discovery channel ak 47 m16 comparison" on youtube and you'll find the video
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