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Old 10-05-2013, 10:24 PM   #21
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the current version of springfield armory produced quite a few new 308 garands in the 80's and early 90's. they sold so fast i couldnt get one. too bad they dont make more.
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So all this talk about the .308 garand....what's the difference between that and an M1A? Isn't the M1A the same action and gas system?

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The M1A is a rifle. The Garand is a design. Mr Garand's design became synonymous with the 30-06 rifle and now the 7.62x51, but it is also found in the (30 Carbine) M1 carbine and the Ruger Mini 14/30 for example.

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Garands are 30-06. M-1a's are good to go though
Garands were made in 7.62x51, Navy garands I believe.
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The SCAR-17 is by far easier to mount optics and accessories to than the M-1 or M-14, but SEI has rails for a bipod and white light, if you want them. I use the bipod rail, but not the side rails. You'll have to drill the stock for the side rails, but the bipod (bottom) rail affixes to holes that should already be present in a USGI fiberglass stock.

The SCAR is definitely lighter than the M-14, has better ergonomics, and less felt recoil, but the M-1 and M-14 are common and proven designs that get the job done and have for quite some time now.

The stock SCAR trigger is much worse than my M-1 or M-14 triggers, but both of those were built rifles and neither was what I would call inexpensive, actually more expensive than my SCAR.

You can get .308 chambered AK pattern rifles and carbines for 1K-1.5K, but you have to contend with AK ergonomics and magazine availability.

There are fabulously accurate .308 AR's available now, but the design doesn't have the same amount of money and man years in engineering that the AR-15 has backing it, which is not to say that companies like KAC don't produce fine rifles because they do. Every time I think someone has done all they can to the AR, someone else comes up with something new.

If you're partial to the AR pattern and want something that you can use with an AR-15 upper, if you already have one, Colt makes a .308 carbine that you can use AR-15 uppers with using an adapter. It's more of a "cool toy" feature than anything else, but it's still a cool toy.

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My Navy Garand in 7.62x51

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Garands were made in 7.62x51, Navy garands I believe.
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So all this talk about the .308 garand....what's the difference between that and an M1A? Isn't the M1A the same action and gas system?
M1 Garand was chambered in .30-06 when it was first adopted by he US military. It used an 8 round en-bloc clip that was ejected out of the magazine after the last round. It was semi-auto only.

The M14 was chambered for 7.62x51 NATO, it uses a 20 round detachable box magazine. The gas system was redesigned with a intermediate short travel piston that struck the operating rod. It was also designed as a select fire rifle that allowed full auto operation as well. The M1A is a semi-auto only version.
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M1 Garand was chambered in .30-06 when it was first adopted by he US military. It used an 8 round en-bloc clip that was ejected out of the magazine after the last round. It was semi-auto only.

The M14 was chambered for 7.62x51 NATO, it uses a 20 round detachable box magazine. The gas system was redesigned with a intermediate short travel piston that struck the operating rod. It was also designed as a select fire rifle that allowed full auto operation as well. The M1A is a semi-auto only version.
That's the answer I was looking for! I guess the magazines slipped my mind when thinking about that
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Garands are 30-06. M-1a's are good to go though
Just before they went out the Army rechambered them to 7.62 with a sleeve pressed into the chamber. found out after sustained fire the sleeve came out with the brass making the rifle inoperative. So they go both ways, I have an M-1 with the 7.62 barrel on it, not sleeved.
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