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Old 04-15-2014, 12:58 AM   #1
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OK so I have to admit I have never shot a m1a. I have a lot of experience with bolt guns and AR's. I'm looking for another rifle other than and AR.
How are the Socoms?



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They are fun to shoot. I have a full sized M1A match and that probably biases my opinion on the SOCOM. I think the M1A is best in its original configuration (longer barrel and open sights). The front sight on the SOCOM is kind of blocky and not really great for accuracy, which is a down side for a rifle to me. Now, as a carbine, the thing is on the heavy side out of the box, then start clamping stuff on rails and it gets even heavier. The ammo is also heavy for a carbine. The muzzle break does a good job of controlling recoil, but it does make it really loud. The .308 round is kind of heavy for close up use also. So, that makes it less than handy as a carbine.

Where it excels is as a cool looking range gun. It is actually pleasant to shoot on an outdoor range.



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They are decent enough. Just be sure to get good mags lots of so-so mags out there. Don't expect to scope one there aren't really any good mounts including the basset mounts. They are pretty much iron sight only guns.

I find them a bit clumsy to operate with less than steller ergonomics. Same issues as a full size m1a just a shorter barrel.

They are fun but nothing I would want to lug around.

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What about parts interchangeability? Is the sqaud a better option?
What's maintenance like?

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Trigger parts, gas system parts, stocks, should mostly interchange.

Maintenance is not hard, but there are some tools required to get into the gas system, and the op-rod can be kind of tricky at times to get off. Some parts really need grease, and other parts are better off oiled. Trigger group comes out easily enough, but pulling the barreled action and trigger out frequently will loosen stock fit over time, the area where the action and trigger mate, can be skim bedded to help prevent or resist this, and synthetic stocks help compared to wood.

I like the squad scouts a little better, because they still use the original sights. It all really depends on what you want to do with the rifle.

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Trigger parts, gas system parts, stocks, should mostly interchange.

Maintenance is not hard, but there are some tools required to get into the gas system, and the op-rod can be kind of tricky at times to get off. Some parts really need grease, and other parts are better off oiled. Trigger group comes out easily enough, but pulling the barreled action and trigger out frequently will loosen stock fit over time, the area where the action and trigger mate, can be skim bedded to help prevent or resist this, and synthetic stocks help compared to wood.

I like the squad scouts a little better, because they still use the original sights. It all really depends on what you want to do with the rifle.
OK well it sounds like its not too bad. And honestly I don't have a specific use for it yet. I feel until I get some range time on the m1 platform I can't really know it's strengths and weaknesses.

I would like it like it to be a dmr rifle. Maybe get a sage ebr stock and have some fun?
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OK well it sounds like its not too bad. And honestly I don't have a specific use for it yet. I feel until I get some range time on the m1 platform I can't really know it's strengths and weaknesses.

I would like it like it to be a dmr rifle. Maybe get a sage ebr stock and have some fun?
If you are going for an accuracy role then I would definitely lean more toward a standard model or the Squad Scout. Also a stock system that won't require frequent re-bedding and that includes a way to mount the scope rigidly. the open top design of the M1 rifles, makes for poor scope mounting for holding or returning to zero due to action flexing. This is an area where the AR10 has it beat, hands down.
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I've got an M1A Loaded model and my shooting buddy has a SOCOM 16. It's a great gun. It's been very reliable and in the right hands it's pretty accurate at ranges of less than 75 yards. After that it's tough to shoot accurately especially compared to my full sized gun.

My biggest complaint is the front sight. It's huge. I think it's a 4 MOA sight. That makes it hard to shoot consistent groups at 100 yards.

The gun is loud and will draw lots of looks at the range. It delivers a lot of punch for such a short rifle but I really think some sort of optics are needed due to the front sight.

He was going to get an EBR stock but decided against it after handling one. They weigh a ton. He carries his SOCOM on duty as a LEO and doesn't want that heavy of a gun.

In all I'm really glad I bought my full sized gun instead of the SOCOM. I can shoot nice groups at 100 yards which is what I wanted. I opted for a Daniel Defense M4V5 LW for my duty rifle and the M1A is my pleasure rifle.



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