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Old 02-09-2014, 05:24 PM   #1
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Considering this rifle but there isn't much out there about it. It's a Dick's exclusive, Savage 11 with DBM, 24" heavy contoured barrel, free floating, with accutrigger and Bushnell 4x12. Stock is also something I've never seen on another Savage. Coming from Savage I just assume it's gonna be a tack driver which is what I'm looking for. Paper punching, varmint, and coyote would be the main uses. Not overly concerned with the scope as it would most likely be replaced in short time. Any first hand experiences? At $499 and many features I was looking for. It's winning the race of considerations between Savage 10,12 and Rem 700 sps tac and 700 varmint. Mainly because of price point. Any reason I should be talked out of it? My main concern is any shortcuts or differences because it is a retailers exclusive that render it sub par compared to the other Savages. Has anybody had a chance to pull the trigger on one of these?


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Considering this rifle but there isn't much out there about it. It's a Dick's exclusive, Savage 11 with DBM, 24" heavy contoured barrel, free floating, with accutrigger and Bushnell 4x12. Stock is also something I've never seen on another Savage. Coming from Savage I just assume it's gonna be a tack driver which is what I'm looking for. Paper punching, varmint, and coyote would be the main uses. Not overly concerned with the scope as it would most likely be replaced in short time. Any first hand experiences? At $499 and many features I was looking for. It's winning the race of considerations between Savage 10,12 and Rem 700 sps tac and 700 varmint. Mainly because of price point. Any reason I should be talked out of it? My main concern is any shortcuts or differences because it is a retailers exclusive that render it sub par compared to the other Savages. Has anybody had a chance to pull the trigger on one of these?


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usually venders exclusives are just a combination of certain features not usually put together in that particular combination. as a vender, they can order several thousands for many stores so they can special order them like that where a small LGS can't because they can't sell that many like a big chain store can. i don't think they would be selling sub-par rifles in their stores.

i see nothing wrong with the combination, and for the price, i don't think you wil go wrong at all. the Savage rifles have an excellent reputation for accuracy and seriously doubt this one will be anything less than accurate for your needs, once you find a good load it likes. personally i don't think you would be disappointed in buying this rifle. it sounds like it should work just fine. the only possible weak link might be the scope.
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For $499 I can find a savage with a nikon scope. What caliber is the dicks gun?
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Savage 10, 110, 11, 111, 14, 114, 16, 116 are all the same action with all the same trigger and barrel. 2 digits short action 3 digits long action. The 16 and 116 are stainless. They all have Accutriggers unless they are OLDER models. The variations are in the Stock or some other feature.

The model 12 is a different action and is a higher grade action used on Varmit and long range target rifles. But again with the same Accutrigger.

My son and I own a mid 1960's 30-06 110DL in a custom Fajen Walnut stock, A 30-06 Model 111 Trophy XP package, And a .243 Model 12VLP DBM.

All of which are dead on accurate rifles the 1960's model 110 was built by our Dad when he was discussing the gun control act of 1968 with his buddies and over the years has harvested dozens of Blacktail deer and a few mulies. As will as thousands of rounds at the Gun Club range. And it will shoot a 1"- group from the bench all day long.

My Model 12VLP DBM is a flat out nasty varmit rifle capable of 600+ yard shots on rabbits and Coyotes. It takes everything the 4-16X Mueller scope can find it with ease.
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For $499 I can find a savage with a nikon scope. What caliber is the dicks gun?

They are available in .223 and .308. Thanks for the replies



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Savage 10, 110, 11, 111, 14, 114, 16, 116 are all the same action with all the same trigger and barrel. 2 digits short action 3 digits long action. The 16 and 116 are stainless. They all have Accutriggers unless they are OLDER models. The variations are in the Stock or some other feature.

The model 12 is a different action and is a higher grade action used on Varmit and long range target rifles. But again with the same Accutrigger.

My son and I own a mid 1960's 30-06 110DL in a custom Fajen Walnut stock, A 30-06 Model 111 Trophy XP package, And a .243 Model 12VLP DBM.

All of which are dead on accurate rifles the 1960's model 110 was built by our Dad when he was discussing the gun control act of 1968 with his buddies and over the years has harvested dozens of Blacktail deer and a few mulies. As will as thousands of rounds at the Gun Club range. And it will shoot a 1"- group from the bench all day long.

My Model 12VLP DBM is a flat out nasty varmit rifle capable of 600+ yard shots on rabbits and Coyotes. It takes everything the 4-16X Mueller scope can find it with ease.
Wrong!

There are still a few different model 11/111's that do not have the Accutrigger.
The model 12 "Target models" action is different,it has 3 action screws,and is a single shot action.
But the other model 12's are the same two action screw receivers/triggers as any of the standard hunting models. Most model 12's have a Stainless Steel action and 26" barrel,but the FV and FLV model 12's are polished blued receivers/barrels
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Considering this rifle but there isn't much out there about it. It's a Dick's exclusive, Savage 11 with DBM, 24" heavy contoured barrel, free floating, with accutrigger and Bushnell 4x12. Stock is also something I've never seen on another Savage. Coming from Savage I just assume it's gonna be a tack driver which is what I'm looking for. Paper punching, varmint, and coyote would be the main uses. Not overly concerned with the scope as it would most likely be replaced in short time. Any first hand experiences? At $499 and many features I was looking for. It's winning the race of considerations between Savage 10,12 and Rem 700 sps tac and 700 varmint. Mainly because of price point. Any reason I should be talked out of it? My main concern is any shortcuts or differences because it is a retailers exclusive that render it sub par compared to the other Savages. Has anybody had a chance to pull the trigger on one of these?


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As with all "Package" guns,the scope is junk.
I love Savage rifles,but I throw every factory composite stock in the trash as soon as I take them out of the box anymore. The factory composite stocks are the weak link on almost every factory rifle-They all suck!

That's a pretty good deal on that rifle,it's basically a 10FP with a DBM stock.

Buy a decent stock for it,and put quality optics on it,and that rifle will shoot sub-moa groups all day long,if you can do your part behind the trigger and shoot good ammo,not the surplus junk everyone wants to buy because it's cheap.
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I owned one of these in .223. With regular Hornady V-max, groups were about 1-1/4". My next step was to buy an assortment of .223 ammo. The rifle doesn't stabilize the 77gr Remington match ammo. The best groups I came up with were from the 60gr Nosler Custom Competition Match ammo (on sale for 19.79 at Midway). These were 5/8" 5-shot groups.

I don't shoot a lot, maybe 1x a month, 20-40 rounds, probably less. The shots were from a bench, with a bipod, and beanbags.

As far as the gun, I liked the barrel length, it's shorter than the Remington 700 308 Varmint Dick's special. I like the recessed crown, and twin studs up front. The accutrigger works fine.

Dislikes: I don't care for the plastic box magazine. It feels cheap and I don't have a good feeling about its durability if you used it a lot. The rifle seemed picky with ammo. I didn't shoot any "junk" ammo, and it took a while to find a good load. I don't know if the problem was the rifle or the primers: on the Nosler ammo, about 1/4 of the rounds didn't go "bang" when the trigger was pulled. ~ 3 of the non-firing rounds fired on the second attempt. 2 didn't fire after two trigger pulls. The primers on some of the rounds had a black crater. I'm leaning towards a bad box of ammo - I didn't have this problem with other brands. I'm including this because it might be the rifles ability to shoot certain primers more consistently - I don't know - ymmv.

Bottom line: the rifle can shoot very well. If you have the ability to buy or create premium ammo, you should have a shooter. The scope is unimpressive, but serviceable till you can afford, or need something good. I paid around $500+tax for mine. Because of the slightly bad taste left with me from ammo pickiness (Nosler problem aside), I would lean towards the Remington 700 for a little bit more, especially if you're buying the heavy barrel ADL version with camo stock at Dick's.
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I owned one of these in .223. With regular Hornady V-max, groups were about 1-1/4". My next step was to buy an assortment of .223 ammo. The rifle doesn't stabilize the 77gr Remington match ammo. The best groups I came up with were from the 60gr Nosler Custom Competition Match ammo (on sale for 19.79 at Midway). These were 5/8" 5-shot groups.

I don't shoot a lot, maybe 1x a month, 20-40 rounds, probably less. The shots were from a bench, with a bipod, and beanbags.

As far as the gun, I liked the barrel length, it's shorter than the Remington 700 308 Varmint Dick's special. I like the recessed crown, and twin studs up front. The accutrigger works fine.

Dislikes: I don't care for the plastic box magazine. It feels cheap and I don't have a good feeling about its durability if you used it a lot. The rifle seemed picky with ammo. I didn't shoot any "junk" ammo, and it took a while to find a good load. I don't know if the problem was the rifle or the primers: on the Nosler ammo, about 1/4 of the rounds didn't go "bang" when the trigger was pulled. ~ 3 of the non-firing rounds fired on the second attempt. 2 didn't fire after two trigger pulls. The primers on some of the rounds had a black crater. I'm leaning towards a bad box of ammo - I didn't have this problem with other brands. I'm including this because it might be the rifles ability to shoot certain primers more consistently - I don't know - ymmv.

Bottom line: the rifle can shoot very well. If you have the ability to buy or create premium ammo, you should have a shooter. The scope is unimpressive, but serviceable till you can afford, or need something good. I paid around $500+tax for mine. Because of the slightly bad taste left with me from ammo pickiness (Nosler problem aside), I would lean towards the Remington 700 for a little bit more, especially if you're buying the heavy barrel ADL version with camo stock at Dick's.
That barrel should be a 1-9 twist rate,that's why it wouldn't shoot 77 grain bullets very well. It should work great with 75 grain BTHP's,but not the longer 75 grain AMax bullets.

All rifles are pretty picky about the ammo they shoot well,even two identical rifles will shoot different than the other. You said the rifle had problems with the Nosler ammo,that sounds more like a case sizing issue than anything. If the rifle shot other brands of ammo without detonation issues,it's the ammo not the rifle.

I don't know why you would lean towards a Remington 700 over the Savage,it won't shoot any better out of the box and their quality has gone down in recent years.
There's as much aftermarket stuff for a Savage as there is for a Remington,and anyone with mechanical ability can completely build a custom Savage without needing the services of a gunsmith.

Your buying a package gun,and you get what you pay for - a cheaper entry type level rifle. If you want a great rifle,don't buy one from the bottom of their list. That goes for any brand of rifle,not just Savage & Remington.
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The main reason I'd lean towards the Remington is because I bought the similarly equipped Remington 700 ADL Varmint in .308 from Dick's for the exact same money as I paid for the Savage. With that particular rifle, I haven't had any weird things happen with the ammo, and I found great shooting factory ammo with very little trial and error. It will shoot 1/2" groups with 168gr. FGMM out of the box with the crappy scope. I tried 3 hunting rounds (Remington, Winchester, and Barnes). The first 2 ammos looked like shotgun patterns. The Barnes shot 1" groups. It's a package gun, and one of the single best values I have ever encountered. I got far more than I paid for.

You're spot-on about the bullets and weights. I'd talked to Savage back in 08-2014. Before I'd contacted them, I'd tried 5 different ammo's. This was the information I'd received:
"We are targeting the 223 with a 1 in 9" twist with anything from a 55gr to a 75 gr. Some manufactures we are using are 69 gr Federal Sierra Match King BTHP, 60 gr Hornady TAP,
60 gr Black Hills VMAX
You should be getting better than 1" at 100 yards."

After 5 different ammo's, I had to try 5 more to get acceptable accuracy (the listed above were sold out online at the time). All I'm intending to say is, I found the rifle picky. I'm by no means down on Savage. I've had great customer service from them, and have owned and shot multiple rifles from them.

I don't believe guns in the $500 range are bottom of the list, nor an excuse to justify poor accuracy. The Savage cost me $200 more in assorted .223 ammo, most of which shoots pretty meh in the rifle.

That expensive and time consuming trial-error process didn't leave a good impression.

I had zero regrets when I sold the Savage rifle. I would have regrets about selling the Remington 700. Because of the exceptionally good experiences I had with the Rem 700 in .308, I would be inclined to buy the exact same package gun in 223. Your mileage may vary.
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