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Old 12-25-2012, 02:01 PM   #11
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One of the main reasons for the Scout Concept was to allow easy loading of the bolt action since you'd not have a scope blocking the magazine. Also, with a low power variable scope like a 1.5-6x or 2-7x you could still use it for close in work and crank up the power for longer shots.

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And light, short, powerful, accurate, dependable, with a sling, fast target acquiring, high peripheral vision...

To paraphrase Mark Twain, common sense is not so common.

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And light, short, powerful, accurate, dependable, with a sling, fast target acquiring, high peripheral vision...

To paraphrase Mark Twain, common sense is not so common.
Yep, that's the Scout Concept in a nut shell. As much as they like to demonize the semi-autos I dare them to say anything against an old fashion, bolt action "Hunting Rifle" which is just what a Scout Rifle is.
I think in the Real World a good Scout Rifle would work better then many of the semis that folks use once you stretch out the range to 300+ yards.
I personally am one who thinks that rifles should be used for longer ranges and not CQB even though many do use AR's and M4's for CQB. I think a shotgun is a much better choice for CQB then a carbine or rifle.
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This is new from Browning, threaded 20" barrel and four different calibers, I want one.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=001B&cid=035&tid=713


Most of the swat teams use the AR15 as the primary weapon and many would rather carry more mags than a backup pistol. If you put a short barrel on an AR15 you end up with quite a QCB package. You would need a Short Barrel Permit for anything under 16".

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Savage is also making a Scout Rifle.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/73/products_id/43531/Savage+10FCM+SCOUT+308+DBM/
It's a bit cheaper then the Ruger. If/when I get a bolt gun I want sights on it because scope can and do fail and I'd like back up sights. I don't know why it's so hard for gun manufactures to put a set of sights on their bolt guns these days.

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Savage is also making a Scout Rifle.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/73/products_id/43531/Savage+10FCM+SCOUT+308+DBM/
It's a bit cheaper then the Ruger. If/when I get a bolt gun I want sights on it because scope can and do fail and I'd like back up sights. I don't know why it's so hard for gun manufactures to put a set of sights on their bolt guns these days.
Nobody wants sights, everyone wants to put on a scope or red dot.
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Nobody wants sights, everyone wants to put on a scope or red dot.
Then they're being unrealistic. Scopes and red dots WILL fail, it's just a matter of having the gun fall or having the batteries go deal and you're screwed. At least with sights you can remove the scope/red dot and still be able to hit something. Any bolt action I buy WILL have sights as a back up to the scope that's going on it.
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I believe that's one of Cooper's guidances for a Scout Rifle too -- goofy Ghost Ring iron sights if only for backup.

Savage has made that gun for a while -- I think I mentioned Savage.

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One of the main reasons for the Scout Concept was to allow easy loading of the bolt action since you'd not have a scope blocking the magazine. Also, with a low power variable scope like a 1.5-6x or 2-7x you could still use it for close in work and crank up the power for longer shots.

And with a detachable box magazine, why do you need access for stripper clips?????
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Didn't say anything about stripper clips, for loading the gun one round at a time from the top(as many bolt actions are loaded) it's just easier to do without a scope in the way.

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