The Germans necked the 7X57 down to a .257 years before Ned Roberts sold it as his idea. Ned made some changes E.I. Dupoint Labs made some minor changes. The 88 Winchester was a fine rifle. The problem was not enough people would buy it, so it was dropped. The old Remingtons were OK for folks who could not afford the "Riflemans Rifle". The Mdl. 70 was the Pace Setter for civilans and the Military. That all changed after 1963.