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Old 07-29-2011, 02:01 AM   #11
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Hah! Good to see the blood flowing in the crowds today! Thanks to all posters.

So, I'm getting the feeling that its not an ideal hunting weapon, probably inferior to other bolt guns, and not as accurate at long range, but easier to carry since it's lighter and possibly allowing for moderate rate of fire.

Overall a great gun if its not intended to be used. As in the guide example, where if they do their job right they shouldn't have to shoot, but good to have around if you have nothing else.

I'm thinking that I want to try it, but I'd get a less gimmicky gun before I pick this up.

Is there anything that this does better than other guns? Or is there a reason to have it over other guns?

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I see it as a compromise, which panders to the "box mag" crowd.

If you want interchangeable mags, they generally lend themselves

to semi-autos. IMO, a box mag on a bolt-action is as useless as

hen-crap on a pump-handle, due to the fact that your rate of fire is

so slowed down by the inherent design, (of any bolt action) that

the difference in reload time would be minimally helpful in the field.

IMO, something like an SKS, semi with a built-in mag, is preferable.

If I were out in the weeds as a guide or scout, I wouldn't want a box-mag

tangling on every vine or branch within 20 feet.

Bear in mind, that generally, it's not the job of a scout to fight, and

IF he does his job properly, he never fires a shot, generally, either.

Ruger makes a great rifle, generally, though. I can't say there isn't

someone out there, somewhere, who might find it useful for

something, somehow.

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I think what everybody's getting hung up on is the concept of a "scout rifle",that's just what they named it, but it's not much different than a normal bolt gun, it's just shorter with a box mag, and it has good reasons for both, shorter to make it easier to handle but still really accurate, and the box mag isn't for quick reloads, its so you can carry one or two mags and not have to carry any loose rounds, not to mention that it helps a lot when loading and unloading, and as for the mag getting hung up on everything, have you ever heard stories of a GI shooting a vietnamese or vise versa because his mag got hung up on something? Me neither, and I ain't planning on hiking through vietnam anytime soon! Remember its not for large volumes of suppresive fire, its for single well placed shots at a distance, which it does well. And I don't think there's any "gimmick" to it, its a well designed rifle that does its job very well, and I think there should be a lot more guns like it, so please, don't knock it till ya tried it. That is all

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^ x2
I'm not sure why everybody wants to take the name so literally.

I respect that other people have various opinions on the rifle but weapons are hardly a "one size fits all" situation, why get so worked up? Why blast the concept just because it doesn't fit your own style/need?
That is a bit like somebody saying a *insert name* sports car is crap simply because they can't fit their 5 kids and a dog inside or a mini van sucks because it can't do 185 mph
buy what works for you ... if you need a short, lightweight, bolt action in .308, this might be a really good choice.

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I see it as a compromise, which panders to the "box mag" crowd.

If you want interchangeable mags, they generally lend themselves

to semi-autos. IMO, a box mag on a bolt-action is as useless as

hen-crap on a pump-handle, due to the fact that your rate of fire is

so slowed down by the inherent design, (of any bolt action) that

the difference in reload time would be minimally helpful in the field. ....
I'm not sure about this "box mag crowd" to which you refer ... perhaps guys like me who shoot competitively with a bolt action and find most internal mags will not hold enough rounds to complete a particular stage without a reload and/or prefer to have multiple loaded mags?? Perhaps your "opinion" is based on a perception with no real experience.
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Scout rifle was a 30-30 Winchester or Marlin for the past 100+ years. I'm older so I placed a new Redfield 2 x 7 scope on my Marlin. Need past 200 yards? Then carry a 270 Winchester.

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Alright, well once again thanks for the opinions.

It seems like it may not have a specific purpose for the average joe, but it may just be another option for somebody to try for their personal preference.

I was wondering if there was something particularly special or different that made it an attractive choice, but as far as guns go this seems to be "just another option". It seems to not really solve any problem but just gives shooters another option for a high calibre lightweight gun.

I guess I'll just have to try one and decide for myself!

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I don't see what everybody's deal is, its just a short barreled bolt gun with a detachable box mag, yall are all acting like its the work of satan himself. Maybe its a stereotype that bolt guns are only for long range shots and therefore useless for closer range? Or is it that a bolt gun shouldn't have a box mag? I think everyone should just lighten up and have an open mind towards this
I'm with you buddy I'm not a very big guy and I have been looking at the gunsite and the one thing I love about it is the size and that it has a threaded barrel
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Coopers original concept was a rifle that featured the following characteristics:

-An unloaded weight, with accessories, of 3 kg (6.6 lbs); with 3.5 kilograms (7.7 lbs) the maximum acceptable.
-An overall length of 1 meter (39.4 in.) or less. These two characteristics place scout rifles into the general class of carbines.
-A forward-mounted telescopic sight of low magnification, typically 2-3" main lens diameter. This preserves the shooter's peripheral vision, keeps the ejection port open to allow the use of stripper clips to reload the rifle, and eliminates any chance of the scope striking one's brow during recoil. Cooper has stated that a telescopic sight is not mandatory.
-Ghost ring auxiliary iron sights: a rear sight consisting of a receiver-mounted large-aperture thin ring, and typically a square post front sight. This allows the rifle to be accurately aimed at short to medium ranges even if the scope becomes damaged.
-A "Ching" or "CW" sling. Against common practice, Cooper advocated the use of a sling as a shooting aid. The Ching sling offers the convenience of a carrying strap and the steadiness of a target shooter's sling with the speed of a biathlete's sling. (The CW sling is a simpler version of a Ching sling, consisting of a single strap.)
-A standard chambering of .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm NATO or 7mm-08 Remington for locales that forbid civilian ownership of cartridges in chamberings adopted by military forces or for its "slightly better ballistics."[2] As Cooper wrote, "A true Scout comes in .308 or 7mm-08."[3] The .243 Winchester is an alternative for young, small-framed, or recoil-shy people, but needs a 22" barrel. Cooper also commissioned "Lion Scout," chambered for the .350 Remington Magnum cartridge.
-Accuracy: Should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).

The idea was to have a rifle handy enough that you could have it anywhere you may trek, with enough accuracy and power to handle most things you might encounter. It should have an ability to carry extra ammo and be fast to reload.

Also remember at the time he was really pushing the concept, a lot of semi-wuto weapons were banned or restricted, so he chose a design that is fairly politically correct, and less likely to be targeted by legislative restrictions.

When you do put all of the features on a single rifle, it is quite handy, and if you were a person who didn't want a collection of guns but one good multi-tasker then the concept is sound. I've got a few friends with them, and they are a very accurate and easy to shoot rifle. 3-5" groups at 300yds off a bench is nothing to sneeze at. The long eye releif scope is a fast sighting system. A box mag does make for a faster reload, and unload for storage or getting in and out of a vehicle when hunting.

I think they are pretty cool.

Lots of folks make other rifles into scout formats. If you want to play with the concept on the cheap, buy a surplus rifle that feeds from stripper clips, a scout mount and a long eye relief scope and see how you like it.

The Ruger has a nice trigger and mounting points to mount a long eye relief scope or a standard scope.

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FINALLY, thank you SSGN. Christ. The gun is great as far as it was designed to be with the features and benefits that it is supposed to have. Damn. And it's not the only one... BTW, I believe Ruger went with a single stack mag as much to have the profile of the gun they got vs. reliability -- sorry, it's sexier and that sells.











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A Mini 30 scout. The local FNRA is raffling off a Ruger Scout. $10 a ticket. I did not know if I would like the concept but it seems to be working. It is interesting but takes some getting used to. I can now field strip the rifle without removing the scope.



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