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Old 10-16-2012, 12:32 PM   #21
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Its budget, get a Hawkeye... they are a ruged bit of gear for hunting, or Rem700.. my 2c.

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Old 10-16-2012, 01:01 PM   #22
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Off subject but ruger also has a very good customer service. Real people on the phones and will make most problems right very quickly

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Old 10-16-2012, 01:02 PM   #23
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Im not trying to bust your balls just making sure you know what your getting so you can make an informed decision. The ruger american is pretty impressive for a budget deer gun.

You can zero it however you wish. But hunting guns should always be cold bore zeroed.

Cold bore zero means just that fire one shot. Wait 10 minutes. 20 if it is hot out. Fire another. Wait. Fire again.

Heat distorts bullet impact in any gun. How much depends on construction. After all your not going to sit in a hide blind stand shoot four or five times with the trophy in front of you, your going to fire one cold bore shot.

I see it all the time at the local range i attend. Just last weekend there was a father and son bitching about how crappy last season was, how many deer they missed, how crappy their brand new remington 700's were. What they were doing was firing 10-15 rounds in a row to zero. Group sizes started about 2" at 100 and opened up to 18+" due to heat and lack of skill.

I asked what they used last year. They traded off a pair of pre-64 model 70 winchesters in 30-06 their grandfather gave them. for two low end remingtons because the winchesters were shooting all over the paper...

A hunting barrel is a hunting barrel. Its for one cold shot at a time. You can shoot it faster to a point but its not what the gun is designed to do.

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Old 10-16-2012, 01:27 PM   #24
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Im not trying to bust your balls just making sure you know what your getting so you can make an informed decision. The ruger american is pretty impressive for a budget deer gun.

You can zero it however you wish. But hunting guns should always be cold bore zeroed.

Cold bore zero means just that fire one shot. Wait 10 minutes. 20 if it is hot out. Fire another. Wait. Fire again.

Heat distorts bullet impact in any gun. How much depends on construction. After all your not going to sit in a hide blind stand shoot four or five times with the trophy in front of you, your going to fire one cold bore shot.

I see it all the time at the local range i attend. Just last weekend there was a father and son bitching about how crappy last season was, how many deer they missed, how crappy their brand new remington 700's were. What they were doing was firing 10-15 rounds in a row to zero. Group sizes started about 2" at 100 and opened up to 18+" due to heat and lack of skill.

I asked what they used last year. They traded off a pair of pre-64 model 70 winchesters in 30-06 their grandfather gave them. for two low end remingtons because the winchesters were shooting all over the paper...

A hunting barrel is a hunting barrel. Its for one cold shot at a time. You can shoot it faster to a point but its not what the gun is designed to do.
That was very informative JonM, thank you. I didn't know that info. So, when I get a new scope for my Remington 721 I'll know to take one shot and wait. Thanks again.
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Im not trying to bust your balls just making sure you know what your getting so you can make an informed decision. The ruger american is pretty impressive for a budget deer gun.

You can zero it however you wish. But hunting guns should always be cold bore zeroed.

Cold bore zero means just that fire one shot. Wait 10 minutes. 20 if it is hot out. Fire another. Wait. Fire again.

Heat distorts bullet impact in any gun. How much depends on construction. After all your not going to sit in a hide blind stand shoot four or five times with the trophy in front of you, your going to fire one cold bore shot.

I see it all the time at the local range i attend. Just last weekend there was a father and son bitching about how crappy last season was, how many deer they missed, how crappy their brand new remington 700's were. What they were doing was firing 10-15 rounds in a row to zero. Group sizes started about 2" at 100 and opened up to 18+" due to heat and lack of skill.

I asked what they used last year. They traded off a pair of pre-64 model 70 winchesters in 30-06 their grandfather gave them. for two low end remingtons because the winchesters were shooting all over the paper...

A hunting barrel is a hunting barrel. Its for one cold shot at a time. You can shoot it faster to a point but its not what the gun is designed to do.
Thank you sir u just tought me alot. So what should i buy as far as a shooting naked rifle that i can long rang target shoot repeatedly and have it also double as a hunting rifle?
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