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Old 01-26-2009, 06:43 PM   #21
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Too bad I live in Massachusetts and you live in Kentucky.
For far (no pun intended) more reasons than distance!
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:48 PM   #22
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No harm no foul, I just thought I read skepticism in your post. I'm sorry if I took you wrong. If you ever make it down to Ky,let me know so I can give you details so you can stop by the shop. I have the rare advantage of having 1 of my ranges right outside the back door. In all honesty, I'm with the guys about starting out with a bolt action instead of an autoloader. It's just I have SOO MUCH fun building 10/22s. When I build 1, I kinda go overboard. Threading receiver/barrel, installing rear action screw, milling bolt to .043 rim depth in bolt face, etc for a start. I DO realize he's going to be best served with a factory rifle, with perhaps nothing more than scope & trigger job.










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I did suggest the 22LR first and actually praised the Ruger 10/22. I'm sorry that you don't like the 17HMR. To each his own. I was just laying down another option. One that might have closer flight characteristics to hunting, which is what amsterdan would eventually like to do. If our friend, was only used to making 50 yard shots, then he moved up to 100-200 yards with a rifle suitable for hunting deer, that would just be one more intimidation on top of the recoil.

And I would love for you to show me first hand your personally-built Ruger 10/22s. Not because of disbelief, but that would be something cool to watch. Too bad I live in Massachusetts and you live in Kentucky.
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In my desire to provide you're first shooting-sport experience as a positive one, let me add one more thought. (Then I'll go away)

Think of the <$200 purchase of your first rifle as an insurance policy insuring, that when you buy you're $1,000 rifle, it will be THE ONE!

The $1K+ rifle is not a first time shooters choice any more than a Z06 Corvette is a first time driver's car.

This is my first real gun, a .22 rifle:



(Not the Colt you mooks, it's there for proportioning purposes and my most recent acquisition.)

You want proof it's MINE? Look close and you can see my initials carved into the stock of this magnificent weapon! It still shoots and yes I have left the patina for a reason.

My Dad (while still a boy) bought it in 1934 for 50 cents (His life savings!) from a guy who was dropping it on it's muzzle in a gas station to see how high it would bounce!

All the members on this forum could not pool enough $ to buy it from me!

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Gotta love your first gun. I learned on a Remington 514 as a kid and my father has handed it down to me.

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WOW!!!!! Dnthmn that's the EXACT model I had until I turned 12,that's when they got me a .222 with weaver K6 scope.

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Awesome! I love taking this to the range with a brick of ammo every once in a while. The single shot really slows me down if ya know what I mean. I can, and have, spent hours shooting this rifle and the only thing that stops me is the wife calling to see if I'm still alive.

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I got a Remington 511x and a Remington 1mb (A 511 in a 513 stock) 511+513= 1024 or 1mb.

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Thanks once again, this really helps.

I've also talked to some colleagues that actually have more experience in shooting than first anticipated. Anyhow, it all comes down to experienced shooters talking about a first rifle which should be a .22lr cal. and what better advice can you get?!

I will go look for one, glad after all that it will save me a lot of money!

Just for fun ... my personality, in the past, has been pretty stuborn. Never really listened, just did what I thought was right, then I learned. This is one of those examples where I'm taking the advice from you and listen instead haha.

My curious mind wonders now though, what if I would have gone for a .243 or .270 right from the get go? What would have been the 'clue' that would make me think, "Sh!t, I should have purchased a .22!"? You are already in a position far past mine, maybe you have made such a mistake like I just described yourself. With the experience you have now, what makes you so strongly recommend a .22lr for a new shooter? (What is it that I would regret, were I to go for a .243 or bigger to start with).

I know, sounds like a Dr. Phil questions hehe.

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I started with a 22lr single shot and wouldn't change it if I could. It was a great gun to learn on. I could be at the range all day with a brick of ammo (500 rounds). I spent that time learning and bettering (not perfecting) my rifle shooting techniques; trigger control, breathing, and shooting positions to name a few. I also learned how to zero a scope and adjust for distance and wind. Also, you build up a lot of confidence when making shot after shot, and even being able to call the shot. Its just a good idea and highly recommended. Don't second guess it, you won't regret it.

After I thought I had put enough rounds (thousands) through my 22lr, I went and bought a 270. I couldn't stop smiling after my first shot. You will too when you shoot your first high-powered rifle after the 22lr.

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I have no doubt you've built some accurate rifles for 50 yard shooting. I'm sure there is practically no difference between the accuracy of both at 50 yards. Unfortunately, I don't do much rifle shooting at 50 yards.



I can only assume you use an electric target to get .170-.230" groupings.

dare ya to find a graph with .17 vs .22 Magnum

I LOVE seeing folks at the range with a .17 just so I can dust 'em off at the 100 & 125 yd targets with my trusty Marlin .22WMR
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