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TooStrongTerry 11-29-2012 06:11 PM

Rifle for shtf
 
Whats up guys...soooo ive started lookin into bolt action rifles. And for a prepping point of view im starting to think one would be great for a shtf situation. I love the fact that it is one moving part. Easyto disassemble and clean. Im a lefty fyi. And i used to have a savage mk2 and i sold it (regret it now) but ican work the actionrelatively quickly. Im thinking of picking oe up. Not the rimfire for shtf just forpractice purposes. If i went the bolt way what are the cons and pros. What caliber should i get? And what rigle? Im thinkin rugers american rifle orremington 700 series. If mossberg made the MVP left handed id grab one of those for this specific purpose. Thanks guys.

HockaLouis 11-29-2012 07:36 PM

Choose your caliber next TST. You're right not to squak "polly wanna .22 LR for survival." Centerfire I'd say .223 unless you hunt big game, otherwise .308. There's really nothing much as adviseable in between though I wish there were. Yeah, all the whackos will come out of the woodwork now and recommend novelties like 7x30 Waters, 6.5 Swede, etc. Ignore them. I still think .22 Mag , with basically the same features and benefits of a .22 LR to some extent but twice as powerful, makes a decent emergency round and happen to be reliable in bolt and pump rifles...

Good luck.

TooStrongTerry 11-29-2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HockaLouis
Choose your caliber next TST. You're right not to squak "polly wanna .22 LR for survival." Centerfire I'd say .223 unless you hunt big game, otherwise .308. There's really nothing much as adviseable in between though I wish there were. Yeah, all the whackos will come out of the woodwork now and recommend novelties like 7x30 Waters, 6.5 Swede, etc. Ignore them. I still think .22 Mag , with basically the same features and benefits of a .22 LR to some extent but twice as powerful, makes a decent emergency round and happen to be reliable in bolt and pump rifles...

Good luck.

Yeah i remember u have talked about 22mag...think its an ok defensive round? Like maybe get one of those in replaceof a 22lr? Ammo is more expensive but still light enough to carry a surplus...

jpattersonnh 11-29-2012 10:13 PM

A novelty like 6.5x55, interesting statement. It's only been around since 1894. It was favored in olympic Biathlon till 1975 when the standard became .22lr. Served both the Swedish and Norwegian armies. Is effective on even large game such as Elephant, read up on Bell. It is not what I would want for elephant, or ever grizzly, but it is a great round. Now for SHTF, the rifle must be accurate enough, the .22mag is at up to 200 yards for minute of man, the downfall is most are mag fed and extra mags would be hard to find, easy to loose, only hold 5, some 7 rounds. I would grab an old Mauser in 6.5x55 or 8x57. No mag to loose, very devastating rounds. I'd personally grab my Wasr2 in 5.45x39 for protection. 16 mags loaded, 480 rounds. To survive a SHTF situation rate of fire can quickly change things in your favor. Violence of action.

TooStrongTerry 11-29-2012 10:38 PM

Well why im lookin for a bolt is because semi autos can malfunction at the worst time and not becauseof the shooter. Do you know what i mean? Yeah in a bolt and i can short stroke the action but with a semi if i dont keep it oiled or if theres a change in temp or what not it can jam,stovepipe, etc...

gunsmoke11 11-29-2012 11:15 PM

I agree that bolt actions are most dependable and require the least amount of maintenance. I have many, but this is one of my favorites due to it's caliber and my being partial to the mannlicher compactness. My .22 mag's a tack driver, but only good for small game and easily capable of 200+ yard shots.
Steyr Mannlicher ModM carbine 7x57
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Anschutz Mod1518 .22mag
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locutus 11-29-2012 11:44 PM

AR-15. All you'll need for SHTF. Reliable, accurate, parts available everywhere and cheap ammo. what else do ya need?

TooStrongTerry 11-30-2012 12:15 AM

Theres so many damn calibers. Shotgun is my number one. Idk what next. Figure i can only carry two maybe three long guns. And stick with those.

Garadex 11-30-2012 12:15 AM

For a bolt action .22 Mag I would recommend the Savage 93. http://savagearms.com/firearms/model/93GL I have a 93 F and can attest to it's accuracy. I can't shoot very well but it hits exactly where the cross hair is pointing

oldpapps 11-30-2012 12:54 AM

Oh boy....

SHTF - got to have a plan. Weapon wise, this plan will not be just ONE weapon or should I say type of weapon.

A .22RF rifle is a given.
Something with enough ump to take larger game (if any can be found). What type of weapon and what caliber, what a mess to work out.
Do you feel that personal protection will come into play? A new mess to work out.
I'm not a shotgun person, so I will not comment.

My view:
.22RF - A Ruger 10/22 or similar, I don't care.
An AR/M16/M4 type in .223/5.56, number must be determined by the group and perceived need.
A bolt action (major make) in .223/5.56.
A bolt action (major make) in 308/7.62.
A .45 ACP (could be .40 S&W, but all should be the same caliber) pistol for each person in the group.

Why .223/5.56 and 308/7.62 you say. Does the job, availability and that's what the government uses, think potential source. But you like the AK. What ya going to do after you have shot up all of your ammo? Simple if you live in the old USSR. Not so much if you live in America.

This is a very personnel matter to contemplate. Think about your needs and views.


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