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Old 12-16-2014, 04:22 PM   #1
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Default Remington 700 and Winchester 70(Pre '64):What are Pros & Contros?

I would like to know what are the advantages and disadvantages of each weapon/design.
NOTE:This is not a "What rifle is the best?" thread.I just want to know the strong and weak points of each one(E.g. Problems that I may encounter while shooting it).
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:51 PM   #2
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Had a 700 a while back my issues were poor fitment of stock and action. The problem that lead me to getting rid of it however was that i found it easy to get catridges hung/stuck under the feed rail of the receiver and magazine. I think its a poor design in that respect as its not conducive to loading easily under stress or in the dark or by feel.

All the current winchester 70's are made by fn, feature cold hammer forged barrels and a nice modern trigger control round feed and are bedded realllllllllllly well. I think they are higher quality than the originals although the wood is not as nice as older models. Your not going to have a problem with a current production winchester 70

If you want a push feed savage or mossberg is where you should look.

Remington products in my opinion are not very good. I just havent seen a remington product this century ive been impressed with.

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I think the biggest difference is push feed vs control feed? The control feed is going to feed more reliably and that's why dangerous game hunters in general prefer it. The pre 64 Winchester is control feed and it's action is just a very robust design. The push feed is still reliable just not quite as reliable, and personally I don't think the action is as smooth on a push feed. The advantages of the push feed is that they are simple and you can just drop one bullet in and close the bolt. With a control feed you have to put the bullet in the magazine and then close the bolt. It's nice at the range to be able to just drop a bullet in.

Push feed rifles generally cost less because there are fewer parts and they are easier to make. That's why Winchester went to push feed actions in '64. A lot of people were going to Remington because the M700 was cheaper and Winchester was trying to stay competitive. Sort of like the economy rifles today gaining such a big market share and the Remington M700 being seen as an expensive gun.

Personally I like both. I have several Remington 700's that I love and I have a new Winchester model 70 on the way built to the pre 64 design. Personally I think the pre 64 Winchester is the best bolt action ever from a design standpoint. I think of it as almost art in terms of it's engineering. In terms of pure function I don't think there is that much difference between the Model 70 and Model 700?
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The winchester 70 action you can drop a round in and it will close. You do not need to feed from the magazine
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Hm...thanks everyone for the response.
As far as I can understand, the Winchester has a more solid and reliable-feeding action, but the Remington has a smoother one.

What rifle would you prefer to use in a stress situation?
What about the barrel of each rifle?What's the max reachable range with iron sight(E.g. to hit a man-sized target in the center of the mass)?Maximum effective range?
What kind of load should I use to maximize the rifle accuracy?
Is there any kit to make them accept even detachable mags?

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The remington is not smoother than the winchester by any stretch. A model 70 is like butter on butter smooth.

My wife runs a bolt action savage in 308 with a ten round box. She alawys gets setup then takes the magazine out to shoot deer. A long box mag is a detriment on a bolt gun in my opinion.

Even on my scar17 i use a shorty 10rounder for most hunting.

I think the perfect action is the old 1903springfield with mag cutoff. Just cutoff the full mag and drop in rounds one at a time. Can always turn it on if needed. Still a mauser action control feed. Im building one up now with a criterion barrel in 30-06

308 or 30-06 will serve to 1000yards

Im not a pushfeed fan.
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The remington is not smoother than the winchester by any stretch. A model 70 is like butter on butter smooth.

My wife runs a bolt action savage in 308 with a ten round box. She alawys gets setup then takes the magazine out to shoot deer. A long box mag is a detriment on a bolt gun in my opinion.

Even on my scar17 i use a shorty 10rounder for most hunting.

I think the perfect action is the old 1903springfield with mag cutoff. Just cutoff the full mag and drop in rounds one at a time. Can always turn it on if needed. Still a mauser action control feed. Im building one up now with a criterion barrel in 30-06

308 or 30-06 will serve to 1000yards

Im not a pushfeed fan.
Noted.So tell me:What action whould you choose to build a military grade sniper rifle?Let's assume that the budget is not a problem and that the action must pass successfully enviroment tests(reliability)and must hit a target at 800-1000m?
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Wellllll. My goto zombie war sniper one gun fun is the scar17... Put in geiselle superscar trigger mi keymod hand guard vltor stock nightfirce 2.5-10 blue force sling and your good to go.

With bolt action i would get a fn spr and go from there. They are built off mod70 actions with detachable mags that dont protrude
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Quality and design is considerably better on the Winchester model 70.

The Remington model 700 has more aftermarket stuff for it, and you don't have to be as good a gunsmith to tweak it, so there's more people who know how to work on them.
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im not against push feed rifles by any stretch. i just do not think the remington current production is very good.

i think the mossberg mvp series is very interesting with the readily available ammount of both stanag 556 and sr25/m14 pattern magazines
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