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Old 04-25-2013, 02:36 AM   #1
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I own a H&R Handi Rifle chambered in 500 S&W Mag. Someone told me the factory rounds have a Pistol charge, and bullet. If I were to reload with a Rifle charge, and bullet it would increase the Guns performance. Is this true?



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Old 04-25-2013, 03:13 AM   #2
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Well, the .500 S&W IS a revolver load- albeit a very powerful one. And one that your rifle is designed to fire. So exactly what would you plan to use for load data and components- and what is the source of that information?

In general, if you are seeking a greater degree of energy, you probably need to look at a different firearm.



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Well, the .500 S&W IS a revolver load- albeit a very powerful one. And one that your rifle is designed to fire. So exactly what would you plan to use for load data and components- and what is the source of that information?

In general, if you are seeking a greater degree of energy, you probably need to look at a different firearm.
I was just curious if it could be done.
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C3 is correct. The longarm you have was designed by the manufacturer to use a pistol round and would not handle higher SAAMI pressures from loading it to a theoretical rifle load. The benefit you gain is greater range and accuracy from a shoulder-fired weapon and longer barrel, which also gives you higher velocities due to better utilization of the burning powder. Borrow a chronograph and put a few rounds across it and you may be surprised!

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I own a H&R Handi Rifle chambered in 500 S&W Mag. Someone told me the factory rounds have a Pistol charge, and bullet. If I were to reload with a Rifle charge, and bullet it would increase the Guns performance. Is this true?
Sure! But I doubt you'll ever need more "performance" than what you will get from factory ammo in that gun unless a sudden invation of angry rhinos is on your list of potential threats.
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I'm no expert on reloading, but I think if you used a slower burning powder you could generate a little more velocity and energy than if you used a faster burning pistol powder. As long as you follow the guidelines and load data for that powder. Seems pretty common for guys shooting pistol calibers in lever guns.

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I was taught pistol rounds are designed to max out at 8", rifles rounds at around 16-18" and shotguns at 18". Some rounds could SLOW the farther they go down the barrel!!!

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The 357 mag will pick up 300 - 400 fps over the factory specs in an 18" barrel. 44 mag will pick up about 300 fps. The semi auto rounds like the 9mm, 40 S&W and 45ACP will only pick up 100-200 fps. The H&R rifles use the same action for higher pressure rounds. The barrels are the same diameter as their shotgun barrels. The 440 grain 500 S&W is doing about 2000 fps in a rifle which is about 400 fps.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html

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Just talking to myself here- - a guy could maybe work up loads using saboted bullets similar to these-

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/450531/hornady-muzzleloading-bullets-45-caliber-sabot-with-40-caliber-200-grain-super-shock-tip-sst-box-of-20

Could maybe get them to go quite fast and pressure would likely be lower with the lighter bullets. I would never suggest this, I was just thinking out loud.

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I was taught pistol rounds are designed to max out at 8", rifles rounds at around 16-18" and shotguns at 18". Some rounds could SLOW the farther they go down the barrel!!!
Not true. A .44 Mag lever action yields significantly higher velocity than an 8" revolver. My 9mm AR gains about 200 fps over the same load in a handgun.

Rifles are dependent on the cartridge. Even the .223/5.56mm has move velocity out of a 20" barrel than a 16". Some calibers like the big magnums need at least 26" for anywhere near max velocity.


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