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Old 05-28-2012, 01:09 AM   #21
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winchester sells a whitebox noncorrosive reloadable 7.62x54r cartridge. couple other large ammo makers put out softpoint hunting ammo in reloadable noncorrosive too. using quality ammo a mosin in a decent shooter's hands will go 1.5 to 2 moa with open sights.
Excuse me bur what is MOA? I don't think I've heard that term before
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So how did you attach the bolt to your long nuts? We know your nick name is long nuts!
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Excuse me bur what is MOA? I don't think I've heard that term before
MOA is minute of angle. TRUE minute of angle can get very technical, but it measures out to approximately 1" at 100 yards, and is incremental. Meaning 1MOA is also 2" at 200, 3" at 300, and so on. Its considered the standard of a rifle's accuracy. Anything 1 MOA is considered decent, and is, quite frankly, beyond the abilities of the average shooter.
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As for nagants, you cant beat the price on a high powered piece of history, as for quality, it really depends when they were made. Pre world war two, the quality was a lot better, and i have to say that beforethe big rearsenal of 1930, those nagant made before 1930 were the best and have the best accuracy. If you really want something special, try to fin a late war MO marked mosin, MO was put on the rifles that test fired extremely accurate. I have a 1942 tula now that fires 2 moa from the bench. I also have a 1938 izh that if i use the irons, hits the broadside of a barn and not much else.

Same thing goes for all surplus guns those, ive had really great looking Mausers that are superb in every way and ive had mausers that are better used as clubs, enfields are usually okay, have never found one that is exceptional, springfields....... Theyre springfields.

But for the price of the mosins and the ammunition, you cannot beat them. I wouldnt just order a random gun, go to your local gun stores or stalk them on the internet.

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Excuse me bur what is MOA? I don't think I've heard that term before
Here ya go...

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/moa-not-canadian-cow-47969/
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Excuse me bur what is MOA? I don't think I've heard that term before
"Minute of Angle"
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Very interesting thread, fellows. Thank you.

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Vassili Zeitsev killed some 700, germans in the Big War using one so they cant be that bad.

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Vassili Zeitsev killed some 700, germans in the Big War using one so they cant be that bad.
242 confimed kills, but during the battle of Stalingrad, the Sniper unit he created killed thousands of german infantry and officers. The snipers made the germans so scared to go outside, they began to dub the war and excuse me for my terrible german, rattenkrieg, or war of the rats, because they had to crawl like rats through the rubble in orderto not get shot.

For the other gentleman who didnt know, MOA, aprox 1 inch of separation at 100 yards, so 2 inch groups, 2 MOA. 3 inch groups 3 MOA.

Downsides of mosins, corrosive ammo, clean that rifle immediately. Some have "sticky bolt syndrome" plenty of advice on youtube on how to fix it.
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Are the Mosin Nagants that one finds at local gunstores typically made in Russia? I have only seen one and I did not see any markings that indicated place of origin.

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Two ways to find out.

BATFE electropencils in the country of origin on the LHS,

right above the stock, or look for the cyrillic markings on the

headstamp just above the chamber.

They were also manufactured in USA, Britain,France, Spain, China,

Poland, Romania, Finland,and Bulgaria (as well as others) IIRC.

Type 53s(chinese M44s) and M44s are more common foreigns.

An 1891 or 91/30 from another country is a little more rare.

So, yes, most 91/30s are Russian...

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