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Old 05-15-2012, 05:12 PM   #1
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I am looking to order a LAR-458 from Rock River Firearms in IL. Any firearm I own has been bought from a retailer where I went to the store and paid for it and left with the gun.

this is the link to Rock River Arms page with the .458 rifle.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id= 251

Indiana has made the .458 rifle legal for deer season.

1. Is it legal to buy this via the internet and have it shipped to the house?

2. If so, what documents would I have to show to make the purchase.

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Deerslayer- unless you hold an 01 or 02 Federal Firearms license, you CANNOT order a modern firearm, and have it delivered directly to you. The exception to that is a few incredibly remote areas, such as the back woods of Alaska- and most dealers do not even know of that rare exception.

In practically all cases, a modern firearm must be shipped to a FFL holder. You go to that holder, complete same paperwork as if buying it from them, pay them the fee for their time,and take your gun.

What you describe has basically been illegal since 1968.

And not that you asked, but be sure the BULLET you are using is legal for hunting. A lot of that is FMJ, and many states do not permit FMJ for hunting.

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And be prepared to WAIT FOREVER for it!! I was in the same boat, and recently waited 10 weeks for my slightly custom Savage. And their Customer Service Dept. could use a little polish.

I hear a lot of gun manufacturers are going nuts trying to fill orders right now, so a single special order is taking a back seat to the big ones.....

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DeerSlayer,There are several of us on this forum that have a RRA 458 SOCOM.
It is a very fun gun to shoot,and very accurate out to 200 yards.After that,the bullet falls like a lame duck.
If you don't reload,this gun will get very expensive to shoot very fast. SBR is the only company that offers factory ammo,and it isn't cheap.

If you have any mechanical skills,I'd suggest building your own complete Lower assembly,and then buy an upper from RRA or a local gun show.The complete upper assembly can be shipped directly to your house,as it isn't "a firearm",the lower assembly of an AR platform is the "firearm",and has to be purchased from an FFL dealer.
You will also be able to set up the rifle exactly how you want it this way,instead of having a plain production firearm.

I've had very good results loading 300gr-405gr bullets with mine,and have several loads that shoot between 3/4"-1 1/2" groups at 100yds.
Recoil is pretty mild with the 300gr-350gr bullets,but it'll let you know about the 405gr's.Kind of like shooting slugs out of a 12ga.

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The rifle sounds nice.

I've never had a problem with shipping.

1-Send your payment by certified mail,with

your FFL address and instructions in writing,


to the seller. Keep all your copies together in a Manila

envelope.

2. Pay by U.S. Postal Money Order. Severe penalties

are enforced for tampering, and everyone knows this.

3. Insure the gun for more than it's worth. I usually

go for 2X the value, YMMV. If they screw it up, it'll

fund your next vacation.

4.Be certain to keep your receipt for all shipping, certs,

insurance, Postal M.O.s, and the copy of your written

instructions to the seller together. Date the outside of the

envelope, and await good news from your FFL.


Very similar to cast-iron shorts...

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therewolf You did good until you got to the Insure part .
No Insurance will pay 2x . He would need to show the value lost .
If it was a $1,000 dollars for the rifle he will get that and
no more no matter how much insurance he bought over that .

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therewolf You did good until you got to the Insure part .
No Insurance will pay 2x . He would need to show the value lost .
If it was a $1,000 dollars for the rifle he will get that and
no more no matter how much insurance he bought over that .

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I beg to differ. You insure, and pay for specific dollar value. So technically,

if you were willing to spend the money, you could insure a wing nut for

a million dollars.

How many guns have you shipped? Because it sounds as though

you're talking about homeowner's insurance.
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Thanks for the help fellas.

I went to my trusted local firearms dealer and placed the order. I got the Rock River Arms LAR .458 SOCOM with upgraded CAR Operator Stock and a Badger Tactical Latch.

It sounds like it will be 60 to 90 days till delivery. Plenty of time to site it in before gun season for deer here in Indiana.

Now it sounds like the hard part will be finding the right round to use for my application. That application being, taking down a 200 pound deer from possibly 200 yards. Do I go subsonic or supersonic? FMJ is illegal here in Indiana for deer hunting.

Any suggestions?

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Yes. Find a good reloading shop.

Start with a couple good books,

The ABCs of Reloading, and either the Speer, Lyman or Hornady

reloading manuals come to mind.

Then you can make your own favorite loads...

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Deerslayer,I really suggest that you look into reloading for the 458 SOCOM.Not only can you save a bunch of money (compared to buying SBR's ammo),but you can build ammo that your particular setup really shoots good.

Here's a couple links to SBR.They will also load your brass,but you really aren't saving much by doing that.

http://www.sbrammunition.com/458sl.html

http://www.sbrammunition.com/458reloading.html

For what they charge for reloading your brass,you can do it yourself for a lot less.Your 1st loads with new brass will cost about $1.40 per round,after that it cost around $.80 per round depending on the bullets used.

You will want to shoot super sonic for hunting rounds,and I like shooting the 300-350gr bullets.I like to shoot the Remington 300gr JHP,Hornady 300gr JHP/325gr FTX/350gr RN,Nosler C/T 300gr Silvertip,and Remington 405gr FNLP.
I have several loads that group under an inch at 100 yards,and you'd be hard pressed to find some factory ammo that will do that.

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