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bolt_action14 04-22-2011 08:23 PM

Opinions, please.
 
Hey all. I'm looking into purchasing a new rifle for groundhog, squirrel, raccoon, and coyote shooting as well as target shooting. I'm currently looking into the Savage Model 10FCP Law Enforcement 223 Remington. I also saw that Savage makes this weapon in a larger caliber (308 Win) and I was wondering if anyone has shot this weapon before and has any opinions on it. Thanks!

Wambli 04-22-2011 08:54 PM

For the game you mentioned the .308 seems like overkill. I'd stick with the .223

jpattersonnh 04-22-2011 09:39 PM

I shoot a Howa 1500 M&P heavy barrel .308. It is a tack driver. The .308 costs more then .223 to reload and both are great to 300 yards. The .308 will reach out further. I have a CZ527 Varmint in .223 for vermin. The rifle is amazing.

therewolf 04-22-2011 10:24 PM

I'd have to agree the 223 is probably a good compromise between inexpensive,

accessible, and the proper range cartridge for your needs.

Dillinger 04-22-2011 10:33 PM

For varmint shooting and a factory stick? Stick with the .223 or else your pocket will be empty, your shoulder will be sore, your buddies will pissed at throwing uo so much dust and muzzle noise, not to mention you will probably be "done for the day" hours ahead of everyone else.

The .223 Savage will threat you right.

JD

jpattersonnh 04-22-2011 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dillinger (Post 491604)
For varmint shooting and a factory stick? Stick with the .223 or else your pocket will be empty, your shoulder will be sore, your buddies will pissed at throwing uo so much dust and muzzle noise, not to mention you will probably be "done for the day" hours ahead of everyone else.

The .223 Savage will threat you right.

JD

Shoulder sore? From what? We are talking HB's here. We have this thing called grass up here, so all you do with your 1st shot is clear a shooting lane. My .308 has a 2" shorter barrel, but has more muzzle jump, not really that much felt recoil. I love you brother, but how your rig is set up makes the difference.

Dillinger 04-22-2011 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 491621)
Shoulder sore? From what? We are talking HB's here. We have this thing called grass up here, so all you do with your 1st shot is clear a shooting lane. My .308 has a 2" shorter barrel, but has more muzzle jump, not really that much felt recoil. I love you brother, but how your rig is set up makes the difference.

Factory stick on that specific model has a 1/4" to 1/2", at best, factory installed plastized recoil pad and a factory muzzle break.

Grass, or no grass, the break will disturb the area around the shooter enough to cause disruption.

Now lay down behind it for a couple of hundred shots at groundhogs starting at dawn to beat the mid day heat??

Having been a .308 shooter since 2002, and having shot in high desert and for hogs from the bed of my truck in Northern Cali, I can tell you that even a heavy, well built custom rig will eventually wear on your shoulder.

For a shooter that doesn't know the difference in varmint hunting, my odds are he is going to get tired of the recoil.

And in regards to how the stick is set up......

Hhhhhhaaaaaavvvvvvvvveeeeeeeee you met The Original Judge?? :D

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f35/my-308-winchester-tactical-rig-3836/

And for the record, I love you too. :cool:

jpattersonnh 04-22-2011 11:48 PM

Missed that thread. I just know my factory Howa is a gem. Cost me $475.00 years ago, because it lacked the stamps required for a particular PD.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...DSCF0006-4.jpg
My .223 at the range, I always have my left hand this way w/ this rifle.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...h/IMG_5227.jpg

Dillinger 04-23-2011 12:06 AM

Howa makes a great action. I have made the case for them as the action of the foreseeable future, that is not custom machined, since very early on in my time here.

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/factory-rifle-action-best-4060/

They make a great action and even with a factory stock and factory barrel, they will shoot the daylights out of a lot of "factory" weapons.

Excellent choice brother. ;)

JD

dteed4094 04-24-2011 03:55 PM

The 223 would be a good varmit caliber but I hav a problem with using it for squirrel. It's a high powered rifle, where is the bullet going to come down? Somewhere within a mile or so. I don't even like to see 22LR shot into a tree. It's Risky. JMHO. Know your backstop and what is behind it.


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