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musicman 12-25-2012 05:58 AM

Opinion on Longer Rang Cal for Deer
 
Just wandering everyones opinion.

I am mainly wanting to compare experiences with

24-06
30-06
308
300 win mag
7mm-08
7 mm mag



Recoil
Usable yardage. Etc

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

c3shooter 12-25-2012 10:05 AM

All are more than adequate for deer. The 7mm-08 is likely the lightest recoil of the rounds you have listed, the 300 Win Mag the stoutest.

I would RARELY feel any shot over 300 yards to be called for by an ethical hunter. Your maximum range will be determined in a HUGE degree not by the rifle or cartridge, but by YOU.

Grocery sells 5 inch paper desert plates. The range where you can hit that plate with all of your shots USING THE SAME POSITION YOU WOULD USE WHEN HUNTING is your max range.

Yes, I have rifles that can do that at well over 500 meters- on a non-moving target, from a benchrest. I usually do not have a benchrest with me when hunting. And deer move.

BTW, that 5 inch plate is about the size of the kill zone on a deer. Remember, your goal is not to hit the deer, but to cleanly and humanely kill it.

Axxe55 12-25-2012 10:15 AM

i agree with C3 completely on this. your distances are going to be dictated by how far you can hit, each and every time you pull the trigger, accurately. several of the cartridges you listed will go quite far and easily drop a deer, in the hands a practiced hunter. the person behind the trigger is the most important part of the equation, and the cartridge and rifle secondary.

that 300 WM and the 7mm RM can have some healthy recoil and yes they will reach out pretty far on a deer, but practice is key. how many hard recoiling rifles have you shot on a regular basis? the get good shooting any rifle requires trigger time, and some just can't handle the heavy recoil it takes to get good at shooting them.

John_Deer 12-25-2012 10:47 AM

awwhh hell, they shoot deer 25,000 yards away on the deer hunter video game.

TNFrank 12-25-2012 02:33 PM

You missed one of the best all around deer cartridge ever, the 270Win. Also, the 260 Remington(basically a 308Win necked to .264") has proven to be a pretty good long range cartridge with a wide variety of bullet weights available for use.

Txhillbilly 12-25-2012 11:50 PM

Most deer are shot at ranges less than 200 yards,and any of the calibers listed will do the job out past that distance easily with a shooter that knows his stuff.
I personally like to use the 25/06 and 7mm-08,but I shoot all the calibers listed except the 7mm Mag,and magnum calibers aren't needed to put down whitetail's.
I've killed more with a 223 than any caliber,but it's legal to use that caliber in my state.

locutus 12-26-2012 12:02 AM

I use the .30-06 for everything from antelope to moose. It's never let me down.

It may be a little heavy for deer, but it will do the job.

IMHO, cartridges like the .300 and 7mm magnums are gross overkill. My biggest objection toi the magnum is that thery tempt inexperienced hunters to take shots that are out of range, and cause a lot of wounding of game.

The .308, 7-08, .260, .25-06, .257 Roberts, 6mm Remington, .243 are all exccellent deer cartridges to 300 yards.

Axxe55 12-26-2012 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by locutus (Post 1066140)
I use the .30-06 for everything from antelope to moose. It's never let me down.

It may be a little heavy for deer, but it will do the job.

IMHO, cartridges like the .300 and 7mm magnums are gross overkill. My biggest objection toi the magnum is that thery tempt inexperienced hunters to take shots that are out of range, and cause a lot of wounding of game.

The .308, 7-08, .260, .25-06, .257 Roberts, 6mm Remington, .243 are all exccellent deer cartridges to 300 yards.

i agree with this 100%. well said Locutus.

many people try and compensate for their inability to hit a desired target by stepping up to a larger magnum calibered rifle. problem is they never shoot it enough to become proficient with it and now they think because they have huge magnum they can increase their hunting distances.

if you want to ethically hunt at 400-500 yrds, then you need to be able to hit a target at 400-500 yrds, 10 out of 10 times. this means much time behind the trigger. huge magnums have much recoil and if you can't stand the recoil, then you have no businsee shooting at 400-500 yrds.

simply put, it's about practice and trigger time, irregardless of what caliber you choose to hunt with.

SSGN_Doc 12-26-2012 05:30 AM

A lot depends on what size the deer are in your area and what you consider long range.

In the swappy area of Georgia a "Long shot" might be 150 yds and the deer are most often well under 200lbs and usually closer to 100 lbs. A .30-30 or a .35 Rem is plenty of gun. A .243 or .308 is fine too.

Out here in Washington the Mule deer can get pretty big. Ranges accross a clear cut or accross a ravine could be 300+ yds.

I agree that you first have to figure out what YOUR maximum range is for humane hits. Then a caliber and bullet to get you performance on target is next.

I like the flat shooting and light recoil of 6.5 mm bullets in the 6.5mm Mauser round and the .260 Remington, but on big boned deer you might have some trouble on long shots, though the sectional density of these rounds is really impressive.

There is a lot of variety in well constructed .30 cal and 7 mm bullets, and lots of good cartridges that use them.

John_Deer 12-26-2012 06:07 AM

It's not a matter of how far the rifle can shoot. It's a matter of how far you can see. I have a hard time seeing further than 75 yards. Deer are creatures of habit. I put my stand near deer trails. All the deer are near my stand. I only see one or two deer a season a long way away from my stand. It must be old age. I can't see all those deer moving in areas where there are no deer trails.

I prefer the 30/06 for it's versatility. You can buy cartridges made for about any situation in a box. The .270 is a good caliber. I shot a 270 for several seasons. The 270 did everything I asked it to do. It's very difficult to track deer in this area. I prefer heavier caliber rifles.


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