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Old 08-28-2010, 02:27 AM   #1
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ONE MILE KILL SHOT - Military.com
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That same program on History had the tale of the guy with the longest confirmed kill with a .308 and it was TWICE as incredible, in our collective minds around the shop, as to the overall level of Norse God like Marksmanship. It was AMAZING!!

One thing is certain, the US Military turns out some of the greatest long range shooters on the planet. And I am kind of sure it has SOMETHING to do with all the availablity of weapons in our culture.

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The longest confirmed shot at just over a mile and a half (if I remember correctly) was made by a Brit that broke the record held by a Canadian, no? But, I also believe both men were trained in the US. Maybe at Fort Benning? I could be wrong, I am just pulling it off of what I think I remember. Amazing, none the less.

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The longest confirmed shot at just over a mile and a half (if I remember correctly) was made by a Brit that broke the record held by a Canadian, no? But, I also believe both men were trained in the US. Maybe at Fort Benning? I could be wrong, I am just pulling it off of what I think I remember. Amazing, none the less.
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The Canadian had multiple shots on a fixed target that was too dumb to understand what was going on.

The Brit was a member of a high power shooting team in his youth and he was trained, allegedly, by US troops.

If you are trying to draw some vague parallel to people outside the US being better long range shooters, I would suggest you do some reading up on the history of long range military application of lead induced terminal trauma in opposing forces.

In addition, when you compare the high altitude ballistics of Afghanistan versus those of, say, high density air of a place like S.E. Asia and a guy named Carlos, you begin to really understand what goes into long range shooting on moving targets.

Now, the Canadian used a McMillan Tac-50 cal, an American custom rifle that is VERY expensive in civilian application, and he needed two to three shots, depending on who's report you read. The Brit was using an AWM in .338 Lapua, which makes the shot that much more impressive as the cartridge is not as well known for knock down kills as the .50 and the .416/.408 applications at those ranges. And in his shooting, it took multiple shots to get "on target". Neither of these applications were "cold bore".

However, all those shots pale in comparison to the shot made in Fallujah by the Marine with the .308

Everything being equal, that guy is probably either ONE of the luckiest, or deadliest, shooters on the planet.

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All throughout the history of US military success, there are stories of superior marksmanship making the difference between success and failure. I also love how the military is allowing the media access to these stories. Just little glimpses into a military that actually has some people who know how to win a war with true success on the battlefield and a focused media campaign showing people (enemy included) those successes.

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The Canadian had multiple shots on a fixed target that was too dumb to understand what was going on.

The Brit was a member of a high power shooting team in his youth and he was trained, allegedly, by US troops.

If you are trying to draw some vague parallel to people outside the US being better long range shooters, I would suggest you do some reading up on the history of long range military application of lead induced terminal trauma in opposing forces.

In addition, when you compare the high altitude ballistics of Afghanistan versus those of, say, high density air of a place like S.E. Asia and a guy named Carlos, you begin to really understand what goes into long range shooting on moving targets.

Now, the Canadian used a McMillan Tac-50 cal, an American custom rifle that is VERY expensive in civilian application, and he needed two to three shots, depending on who's report you read. The Brit was using an AWM in .338 Lapua, which makes the shot that much more impressive as the cartridge is not as well known for knock down kills as the .50 and the .416/.408 applications at those ranges. And in his shooting, it took multiple shots to get "on target". Neither of these applications were "cold bore".

However, all those shots pale in comparison to the shot made in Fallujah by the Marine with the .308

Everything being equal, that guy is probably either ONE of the luckiest, or deadliest, shooters on the planet.

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I hope you don't doubt my belief or understanding that American trained long range shooters are superior to foreign trained shooters. I was in the understanding that the best of the allied long range shooters were trained by American military long range shooters.

And, you are correct about the long range ability of the .308 from everything I have read.
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this is pretty old if im not correct, and the canaidan Rob furlong has the officail record with 1.5 miles and he did it with a macmillian tac 50 with american bullets, last i heard at least.

this is from the same history channel show.


btw did you get this from the millitary.com newsletter thing? cuz i got that too
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I hope you don't doubt my belief or understanding that American trained long range shooters are superior to foreign trained shooters. I was in the understanding that the best of the allied long range shooters were trained by American military long range shooters.

And, you are correct about the long range ability of the .308 from everything I have read.
To be honest, I was not not sure where your other post was headed.

If you take a look at the list of "most prolific" shooters/snipers in history you will find that a lot of folks from foreign countries are at or near the top of the list, Simo being in the lead followed by a countryman named Sulo.

There are lots of foreign born names on the magic list, but apples need to be compared to apples.

The thing is, you have to factor in the battlefield they were shooting on. Sure Zeitsev and Koenig/Thorvald ( if Koenig/Thorvald was actually one man instead of a compilation of shooters ) both had a ton of kills, but they were shooting in urban environments with long shots being down the street.

But compared to what Carlos Hathcock and Chuck Mawhinney did in Vietnam, especially on hill 55, it's another type of shooting altogether.

But no, wasn't taking a shot at you, was just trying to clarify when it comes to this discussion because there is a LOT of bad information out there.
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