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atom11 04-08-2013 02:22 PM

Ok.. Need some opinions/advice
 
I just recently purchased a Remington 700 in .243 and sighted it in the other day. At a 100 yards i had 2-2.5 inch groups. I was shooting Hornady 58 gr v-max moly coated bullets. The gun came with a scope and it is not name brand. So my question is do you guys think that if i were to put better glass on it, it would hold better groups... Or do you think that it is the best i will get with factory loads. I'm not in any place to reload but I really want to be able to shoot woodchucks and possibly p-dogs out to 300-400 yards. I am open to any suggestions that you all have on scopes or maybe other factory rounds that might be better. My thoughts on the whole thing was that the scope may be jumping around a bit but I am uneducated about stuff like this. I was thinking to put a Leupold VX-1 4-12x on it and hopefully turn the gun into MOA or slightly above MOA, but wanted some opinions/advice on the topic before I go doing anything drastic.

Thanks in advance!

JimRau 04-08-2013 02:51 PM

If the 'gun' is only capable of 2 to 2.5 inch groups with this ammo it will not be a varmint rifle. You MUST HAVE MOA or less to hit small targets at long ranges. The 4x12 scope will work for you IF the rifle is capable of MOA or less accuracy. I had a 6.5x20 on my 22-250 but never used it above 14x. Welcome to the forum!:D
Hope this helped,
Jim

jp_over 04-08-2013 03:02 PM

Here are a couple of easy suggestions. Try some other ammo; all guns have a favorite. One other thing to check is the rings; cheap rings will kill accuracy (as these can become loose and/or are tough to get tight). 2" groups with factory ammo is not bad by the way but some different ammo may get you a little tighter.

Wambli 04-08-2013 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom11 (Post 1207150)
I just recently purchased a Remington 700 in .243 and sighted it in the other day. At a 100 yards i had 2-2.5 inch groups. I was shooting Hornady 58 gr v-max moly coated bullets. The gun came with a scope and it is not name brand. So my question is do you guys think that if i were to put better glass on it, it would hold better groups... Or do you think that it is the best i will get with factory loads. I'm not in any place to reload but I really want to be able to shoot woodchucks and possibly p-dogs out to 300-400 yards. I am open to any suggestions that you all have on scopes or maybe other factory rounds that might be better. My thoughts on the whole thing was that the scope may be jumping around a bit but I am uneducated about stuff like this. I was thinking to put a Leupold VX-1 4-12x on it and hopefully turn the gun into MOA or slightly above MOA, but wanted some opinions/advice on the topic before I go doing anything drastic.

Thanks in advance!

Here are a few questions that need answers:
1-Are YOU capable of better groups? Not trying to be insulting, just trying to find out your experience and if you can actually shoot better than that. Any rifle is only as good as the guy pulling the trigger and I've diagnosed enough poor shooting rifles as being shooter deficient to know better than to leave the question unasked.

2- Have ou tried other types of ammo. 58 gr. Vmax is REALLY light for most rifles in .243 and if the twist rate is too fast for that bullet there is nothing you can do to fix that. Try some heavier varmint bullets to see if there is a difference.

3- The last 2 .243 Remington 700s I have played with and my buddie's he got last year were all SUB MOA shooters right out of the box so you should be able to do much better than 2.5 MOA. Actually I can't remember the last Remington I bought or sighted in for someone that was not at least MOA or better from the factory. If you have an SPS be REALLY careful with the amount of presure you put on the forend SPECIALLY if you use a bipod. The stock that comes with the gun is Ok but has too much flex on it. You might want tio upgrade to a solid synthetic.

SSGN_Doc 04-08-2013 07:08 PM

My experience with Moly coated bullets is limited. I limited it becasue I never got great groups with them. If this is a brand new rifle it may take a little time for the barrel to season and settle in a bit.

As others suggested, it can take a few outings to find a load that your rifle really performs well with.

Again as others suggested, when you start trouble shooting, start with the simple things. Check to ensure that everything is tightened down as far as scope rings, mounts etc. Make sure, if you are using a bench rest or sand bags, that the rifle is:
- sitting in the same place each time you fire.
- your sight picture is exactly the same when the trigger breaks
- if you use a sling, tht the tension is the same
-if you use a bipod, that you have pressure the same if you are pre-loading it, or pushing into it a bit.
- head position and cheek weld are the same so that you have consistent distance of the eye from the occular lens of the scope.
- breathing and pulse are consistent at trigger break.

It's a lot of things to try to keep constant when you are trying to get the best groups that you can.

dteed4094 04-11-2013 08:08 PM

I, having a 700- 243 think the rifle is definately capable of sub MOA groups with the right factory ammo. Mine doesn't like 100gr federal sp. barely MOA. It does like 100gr Rem Coreloks, 5 shot group .41 inch. I'm not sure I could beat that with home loads. That's also better than I thought I was.

25-5 04-11-2013 09:51 PM

I have a Ruger M77 International .243, w/18" barrel. I load my own now, but had real good results with Hornady Superformance 95gr SST #8046, and Black Hills Gold 95gr Hornady SST. Also look for Match Grade ammo. I do have a 700 in 30-06 that makes one whole, kinda-sorta. :D

Txhillbilly 04-12-2013 01:04 AM

I would bet it's the choice/weight of bullet. Try a heavier bullet,and your groups should improve if you do your part.
I'd try something in the 75gr-90gr range.

trip 04-12-2013 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom11
I just recently purchased a Remington 700 in .243 and sighted it in the other day. At a 100 yards i had 2-2.5 inch groups. I was shooting Hornady 58 gr v-max moly coated bullets. The gun came with a scope and it is not name brand. So my question is do you guys think that if i were to put better glass on it, it would hold better groups... Or do you think that it is the best i will get with factory loads. I'm not in any place to reload but I really want to be able to shoot woodchucks and possibly p-dogs out to 300-400 yards. I am open to any suggestions that you all have on scopes or maybe other factory rounds that might be better. My thoughts on the whole thing was that the scope may be jumping around a bit but I am uneducated about stuff like this. I was thinking to put a Leupold VX-1 4-12x on it and hopefully turn the gun into MOA or slightly above MOA, but wanted some opinions/advice on the topic before I go doing anything drastic.

Thanks in advance!

My .243 really likes 80 grain bullets. The quickest way may be to try different ammo and see what changes. Good luck

locutus 04-12-2013 02:46 PM

1. Throw that scope in the trash bin.

2. With a quality scope installed, shoot a few groups with several different bullet weights.

3. If it still can't reach one inch have a gunsmith chgeck ouit the rifle.


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