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Old 12-11-2012, 05:06 AM   #21
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Meh, 40 grains or 55 grains, it still rounds down to a .22 caliber, just one with a longer reach than .22LR and a higher price tag. Of course, many people do loooooove that fried tree rat with some dumplins.
I honestly didn't know that, newb to rifles.
I just think .22lr being mini
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:28 AM   #22
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Gotta disagree J.

An AR loaded with 55 grain Hornady TAP is like, totally awesome man. And less penetration than a 12 ga slug.
Good point... With the right loads you can do most anything, But I personally would rather be wielding my shotgun with number 4 buck at my place.
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I honestly didn't know that, newb to rifles.
I just think .22lr being mini
I was just giving .223 a hard time; I won't own one.

There is nothing wrong with .22LR; there is nothing wrong with .223; they each have their purposes. .223 is very popular for "varmint" hunting (groundhogs, etc). The numbers are true; the key difference .22LR vs .223 is velocity and the pointy design of the .223 projectiles. For a plinker, all it does is increase ammo cost and time walking to the target to go from .22LR to .223, IMO.

For self-defense use, large projectiles (even at a lower velocity) make MUCH more sense to me and might be a little easier to explain to the police. "Well some dude kicked in the door screaming 'RAPE' and swingin' a axe, so i grabbed my ole shotgun and shot him until he hollered for the amberlamps" vs. "Unknown subject breached my perimeter at oh-three-hundred and exclaimed loudly in a threatening manner; my DPMS sportical (with forward grip and swat-inspired optic and sling) was successful in deploying five rounds of hornady Vmax to subject's torso; at which point unsub requested medevac."

Of course, if the tacticool look is what appeals to you, you can get a AR-looking rifle in .22LR for cheaper ammo and less recoil.

If you might hunt something bigger than a "varmint", the 12 guage can fire shot (birdies) or slugs (deer). When equipped with a shorty, easier-to-maneuver barrel, the shotty can lob either at a home invader with great effect.

Get what you want and will enjoy. You will probably know that better if you try it out first.
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Oh man just did some research, it's a 5.56 not 223, is that a little more respectable than varmenr round?
It's says NATO round does that mean that's the round our troops using while engaging bad guys??

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Oh man just did some research, it's a 5.56 not 223, is that a little more respectable than varmenr round?
It's says NATO round does that mean that's the round our troops using while engaging bad guys??

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Newb but really want to be involved and begin to be a quality responsible educate rifle owner.

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The .223 and the 5.56mm nato are basically the same size and shape and such; some AR's are designed to fire either/both, while other AR's are designed to work better with one or the other.

The AR is a very modern rifle and a bit different than most of our hunting rifles; there is a sticky thread with a ton of good info on it http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f20/ar15-primer-beginners-guide-59600/ . Personally, i would not recommend an AR (in any caliber) as a first rifle, just me. That thread explains the .223 vs 5.56 difference, history of the AR, and basics of operation.
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So why the knocking of the 223 if its similar to the 5.56 that military uses?

Confused???

Maybe the mossy will be less confusing hahah

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So why the knocking of the 223 if its similar to the 5.56 that military uses?

Confused???

Maybe the mossy will be less confusing hahah
Up until the adoption of the M16, our military used .30 caliber rifles, generally. Smaller caliber is better for smaller animals, generally.


Edit* somebody else wondered about the .223 vs 5.56 differences today as well: http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/difference-between-223-5-56-a-78224/
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The military has used the 5.56 for over 50 years, and they still like it.

I have every bit as much confidence in a 5.56 to do the job as a .30 cal.

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The U.S has been using the .30 for years, but the M1 Garand was originally designed for the .276 Pederson. Because of MacArthur it was reworked to .30-06 and only 8 rounds instead of 10. If you look at the History of the 7x57 in a Mauser rifle the Boers were beating the snot out of the Brits w/ it, while the Brits were using a .30 caliber. The 7x57 out ranged the .303 by close to 200 yards, that was w/ iron sights as there were no scopes. 6.5x55 in the M41b an M96 Swedish rifle w, a short side rail and re-worked German pre WWII scope was known as the last of the 800 yard killers. A rifle you may want to look at is a Swiss K31. The 7.5x55 cartridge is VG. It is close to .308 velosities, but w/ iron sights will bury most .308 rifles w/ irons. BTW, 7.5 is .308 here. The strait pull design offers very fast follow up shots.

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Get a mossy 500 and a .22lr rifle for the same price as an AR. You can train and shoot the 22 all day for a few dollars, and use the shotgun for zombie defense.

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