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Jeremy.Y 07-31-2007 07:12 PM

New hunter need some advice...
Hey guys I'm new here but interested in getting some info on a new rifle.
I have used .22's my whole life but just recently decided to step up and try some serious hunting.Therfore I need to purchase a new rifle.I was hopeing I could get pointed in the right direction by you experts!
Here is the rifle I am thinking about getting....

It' a savage 111 brand new I can get it in the package with a 3-9 40mm scope for $449.99 canadian brand new.

Is this a good starter rifle?What caliber would you guys recomend?I recently shot a 7mm rem.mag and found it had alot of kick to it so I was thinking of going with the .270 or the 30-06.Would that caliber have less recoil then the 7mm MAG?What would you recomend for a newbie?

Also I live in Sask Canada and would be mainly hunting deer,moose,elk,and mabey eventually black bear.Basicly I want to be able to shoot and kill just about anything with one rifle!

Thanks in advance

pioneer461 07-31-2007 08:06 PM

New hunter need some advice...
Savage makes a fine product at a reasonable price. Some manufacturers put low quality scopes on their rifles for certain marketing reasons. You may want to upgrade, depending on what comes with it.

You have some pretty serious game in Canada, which should be handled well by .30-06 and quality ammo.

FALPhil 08-01-2007 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by pioneer461 (Post 5404)
You have some pretty serious game in Canada, which should be handled well by .30-06 and quality ammo.

30-06 for sure. There is no other cartridge with as many options available in factory ammo or reloading components than the 30-06.

Jeremy.Y 08-01-2007 04:11 PM

OK thanks for the info guys.So basicly the 30-06 is a better bet then the .270?
Is this for the simple fact that amo is more readily available and cheaper?
Is there any difference in "power" and recoil between the two calibers?
Thanks again.

Bear_Down 08-02-2007 04:19 AM

I would not recommend a 30-06 for prairie shooting go with the 270. It will drop any animal the flat lands have to offer. It is a flatter shooter than a 30-06.
I hunt Elk and Moose. In B.C. And even took a Grizzly. All with a 165 gr. Nosler Partition.
The hydro static shock value from a 270 is simply awesome.

Jeremy.Y 08-02-2007 04:50 PM

Bear down...thanks for the input
What do you mean by a "flatter" shooter?
Also What do you mean by Hydro static shock value is better on a .270.
Sorry about the dumb questions but I'm still pretty new to this.

I do notice where I live the amo prices between 30-06 and 270 are exactly the same.

FALPhil 08-02-2007 06:29 PM

Apples and oranges. The 270 is a flatter shooter than the 30-06 - except when it isn't.

The problem with 270 Win (and don't get me wrong: I have one and love it!) is that there are very few bullet weights and styles when compared to 30 caliber. The 270 just isn't as versatile as the 30-06. And for a one-gun hunter, the 30-06 is king. Second choice would be a 308 Win.

Now, if you have a 300 WM or 338WM or 35 Whelen, then a 270 WIn makes an excellent choice for a 2nd rifle. Unless, of course, you are only going to hunt one species of animal.

Bear_Down 08-02-2007 08:37 PM

The term flater shooter means trajectory. Or bullet arc. the longer the shot the more you have to hold on the target.
Yes the 30-06 has a wider range of loads and bullet weights BUT the leads are also heavier and don't have the bullet coefficients that the 270 has a 165 grain 270 round VS 165 grain 30-06 sound the same but are very much different. 270 round is faster and more stable with more energy than a 30-06.
Range of loads is a trick In the FACT that a rifle will shoot only one load at max performance. Also as soon as you change loads you have to re sight in the gun. So it doesnt really mater if you can shoot a from 135-a 200 grain round if the gun shoots like crap. Also it takes more powder to shoot a 30-06 round of equal weight as the 270. So it will kick harder.

FALPhil 08-03-2007 12:26 AM


All of that is true and I agree with you 100%. BUT, if I was limited to a single rifle, it would be 30-06 or 308. With my 30-06, I can get saboted 22s that go 4050 fps, and I can get 220gr monolithic solids that go 2350 fps. And in my Remington 700, all loads give minute of deer accuracy out to about 500 yards if I do my part. Sure, it kicks harder for a given bullet weight, but its not like I shoot 100 rounds a session out of my 30-06.

So, the only thing I disagree with you on is which cartridge makes the better 1-gun battery. The 270 is a most excellent round, and truth be known, I generally shoot only 2 rounds out of my 30-06, but then, I have a significant collection of rifles In many other calibers.

Bear_Down 08-03-2007 02:50 AM

I see we could debate over this all day when in fact either cal would make an excellent choice.
I am just speaking from my experiences hunting in Saskatchewan. And yes I also own an extensive collection of rifles and calibers.
We did our part now it is going to come down to you're choice.
Good luck in you're decision.

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