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Old 06-02-2014, 10:04 PM   #1
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I'm thinking about a new deer gun. I'm still getting the slug gun from my other thread(s) but I'm thinking about getting a rifle as well. I have been looking to get a new upper for my AR-15. I live in Indiana and the only "AR" calibers we can deer hunt with are : .458 SOCOM, .450 BUSHMASTER, and the .50 Beuwulf. I have a sundevils AR-15 in .223/5.56. If I get a complete upper in any of the listed legal calibers, do I need a different lower? How bad is the recoil between the three calibers? I shoot 12 gauge slugs and I'm pretty good with it. I can handle recoil up to 40 lbs just fine. Any suggestions?
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There is a 458 Socom upper for sale in the classifieds.
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There is a 458 Socom upper for sale in the classifieds.
He better hurry,I have a trade deal in the works right now.

If you don't reload,the 450 Bushmaster or 50 Beowulf will be easier to find factory ammo for,when retailers actually have some in stock.
But be prepared to spend $60-75 for 20 rounds with the big bores. I only handload for the 458,and it is pretty cheap doing it that way,but still cost around $1.00 - 2.00 a round to load,depending on the bullet's used.

You don't need a different lower,the upper will fit right on any AR-15 lower. Recoil with 300 gr - 350 gr bullets is about like a 308,heavier bullets will increase the felt recoil,but it isn't bad at all.
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I'm thinking about a new deer gun. I'm still getting the slug gun from my other thread(s) but I'm thinking about getting a rifle as well. I have been looking to get a new upper for my AR-15. I live in Indiana and the only "AR" calibers we can deer hunt with are : .458 SOCOM, .450 BUSHMASTER, and the .50 Beuwulf. I have a sundevils AR-15 in .223/5.56. If I get a complete upper in any of the listed legal calibers, do I need a different lower? How bad is the recoil between the three calibers? I shoot 12 gauge slugs and I'm pretty good with it. I can handle recoil up to 40 lbs just fine. Any suggestions?
If you can push your muzzle energy up to that of a normal 308 bolt action rifle, then those ideas might work for deer.

However you are forgetting that the AR's have shorter barrels than a bolt action 1903 Springfield design of 24 inches.

The longest barrels that I know of for any of the calibers in the AR design that you mentioned would be 20 inches at most.

So whereas you might be thinking "Oh if I can match the bullet caliber then I should be good to go" ... wrong.

Ergo you cannot match the muzzle energy of a bolt action 308 with any AR design.

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He better hurry,I have a trade deal in the works right now.

If you don't reload,the 450 Bushmaster or 50 Beowulf will be easier to find factory ammo for,when retailers actually have some in stock.
But be prepared to spend $60-75 for 20 rounds with the big bores. I only handload for the 458,and it is pretty cheap doing it that way,but still cost around $1.00 - 2.00 a round to load,depending on the bullet's used.

You don't need a different lower,the upper will fit right on any AR-15 lower. Recoil with 300 gr - 350 gr bullets is about like a 308,heavier bullets will increase the felt recoil,but it isn't bad at all.
If you want the upper, take it.
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If you can push your muzzle energy up to that of a normal 308 bolt action rifle, then those ideas might work for deer.

However you are forgetting that the AR's have shorter barrels than a bolt action 1903 Springfield design of 24 inches.

The longest barrels that I know of for any of the calibers in the AR design that you mentioned would be 20 inches at most.

So whereas you might be thinking "Oh if I can match the bullet caliber then I should be good to go" ... wrong.

Ergo you cannot match the muzzle energy of a bolt action 308 with any AR design.

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You only need 1000 ft lbs of muzzle energy to kill a deer.
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If you can push your muzzle energy up to that of a normal 308 bolt action rifle, then those ideas might work for deer.

However you are forgetting that the AR's have shorter barrels than a bolt action 1903 Springfield design of 24 inches.

The longest barrels that I know of for any of the calibers in the AR design that you mentioned would be 20 inches at most.

So whereas you might be thinking "Oh if I can match the bullet caliber then I should be good to go" ... wrong.

Ergo you cannot match the muzzle energy of a bolt action 308 with any AR design.

Q.E.D.
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He lives / hunts in Indiana,and Centerfire rifle's are prohibited unless they are pistol caliber's or certain big bore calibers like the 458 SOCOM.

The muzzle energy of a little .308 caliber isn't crap compared to the delivered energy of a 300 - 405 grain bullet out of a 458 SC at ranges of 200 yards or less.

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CVA,It's my upper that is for sale!
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Shoobee,You might want to read the OP's entire opening post before you post something stupid on a thread.
He lives / hunts in Indiana,and Centerfire rifle's are prohibited unless they are pistol caliber's or certain big bore calibers like the 458 SOCOM.

The muzzle energy of a little .308 caliber isn't crap compared to the delivered energy of a 300 - 405 grain bullet out of a 458 SC at ranges of 200 yards or less.



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Then in states like that, which are common back East, a slug shotgun is definitely the way to go, rather than an AR.
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Then in states like that, which are common back East, a slug shotgun is definitely the way to go, rather than an AR.


i believe if a person can afford the AR in those calibers, most will choose the AR over the shotgun due to it being much more accurate a longer distances than the shotgun with slugs.

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I'm new to this sort of stuff, so please enlighten me.

Is a 300 AAC Blackout round considered big bore for a AR? If so, all you would need is a new barrel, which could be very short. The 300BLK was designed to use a 9" barrel (or was it 8"?), so you could go with the legal minimum and not lose anything in terms of velocity.
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