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Old 12-06-2013, 12:37 AM   #1
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Default Need shtf firearm collection augment advice

Firearm prep help

I am in need of some advice. I am looking for some some suggestions at 2 different budget levels on what I should buy to solidify my weapons for home and person protection.

The main scenario I am looking to prepare for is WROL (without rule of law) in protection need as follows:
- bug in
- protect home and family from looters, hooligans,
- economic/currency collapse or hyperinflation
- extended power outage
NOTE: I will have 3 people that could be armed in a shtf scenario

What I have already:
Make. Model. Cal. Rounds other info
Marlin 336 lever 30-30. 70 w/cheap 3-9x40 scope, sling tube 6+1
Rem "model 34" bolt 22lr. 2500hv . Tube fed, iron sights, 14+1
Rem. 1100 pump. 12ga. 450 (7.5) Knoxx stock, 18.5 barrel, iron sts, sling, 7+1
Moss 183kb. Bolt. 410ga. 50 Long barrel w/choke, iron shts, 4+1
Rohm RG38. Revlr 38 spc 100fmj,20 hp. holster

My prep budget is really tight to supplement my arms...here is what I think I need:
+1 rifle semi-auto + X ammo, thinking 22lr rem 597 w/4 30 rnd clips?
Maybe a handgun semi-auto + X ammo, thinking an inexpensive 9MM w/2 clips?
- more ammo? 30-30? ~100 rnds @ $120, more 410? ~100 @ $40 and 38 spc? ~100 LRN/TMJ @ $50?

Budget 1: $500-$600
- rifle only?
- must consider cost of ammo
- how much ammo to last 12 months

Budget 2: I could stretch to $800-$900 if there would be a marked gain in protection value
- rifle only or rifle + handgun?

Finally I can spend ~60/mo on more ammo until shtf but what kind and cal?

Thank you all so much in advance!

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Old 12-06-2013, 01:00 AM   #2
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A decent, new AR could be found for near $700. Used for a bit less. We don't know when the rule of law will cease; you could start with a receiver and build as your budget permits.

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I think that were you are the most deficient is in the handgun category. Buy a good, reliable handgun. I would suggest either a .357 magnum revolver -- Colt, Smith, or Ruger -- or a (and I can't believe that I, the 9mm hater) good 9mm semi-automatic.

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A house in the burbs is not defensible. A couple of Molotov Cocktails would do you in not to mention incoming rounds with nothing to stop them. You need a group, neighbors, friends or relatives to pool resources. A common community effort is what is really needed. You better start filling lot of sandbags.
The 12 gauge is the only gun you have that is combat ready. The 70 might make a longer range sniper (300 yards is plenty). The 336 is a little hotter than an AK but does not have the fire power. A second shotgun and lots of 00 along with some slugs would be the most reasonable and useful. An AR15, Mini14 or an AK which may be over your budget although I have seen some good prices on AR's lately. You can get ammo for AR's and AK's and prices have come down. Easier to find than 22lr and 22mag right now. Handguns are harder to use than carbines or shotguns so look at long guns more than handguns. Think of the handgun as a backup not a primary. A good 22lr semi auto is always useful.

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A house in the burbs is not defensible. A couple of Molotov Cocktails would do you in not to mention incoming rounds with nothing to stop them.
Agreed, but the op didn't say he lived in the Burbs. If it were me…..I'd sell the lot, and buy the following, in this order; Hi Point carbine, used Glock, (both will take the same mags, and ammo), used scoped rifle in 308 like a Savage AXIS, used Mossberg 12 Ga shotgun, and as much AMMO for everything as possible.

That is the cheaper list. If I had more money, I'd buy Beretta 92/96 & CX4, and upgrade the Savage, and a slightly more tweaked combat shotgun, maybe a semi. And as much AMMO as possible.

If I was going to strip it to the bare minimum, I'd go used Hi Point, used Glock, and as much AMMO as possible. Probably in 40, maybe 9mm.

For a year…..too much ammo isn't enough. $60/mo sounds like a good place to start. I'd go with probably 9mm, 40, 45, 12 GA, and 308.
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One of our fellow members just posted this site yesterday - gunwatcher.com. Go to the site, type the weapon(s) you are interested in, in the search window & find guns, prices & sellers, across the country.

I just searched AR-15, and the least expensive fully assembled 5.56 Nato AR-15 platform I found was an EXTAR EXP 556 5.56 PISTOL @ $459.00 w/$20.00 shipping, add FFL charges and you've got a <$500 AR-15 from gunsamerica.com.

If not an AR-15 or AK-47, I recommend another Marlin 336, in .30-30, for commonality & familiarity.

As far as a9mm auto pistol, an S&W SD9VE, NOT SW9VE for around $350.00 is a good deal, or a Ruger P95 at around the same price. 32 round magazines are available for both of those pistols.

If you are dead set on another .22lr rifle, go buy a Ruger 10/22, they have recently begun manufacturing their own 25 round magazines. Don't go waste your money on after market mags, apparently most are crap.

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You have more than enough guns.

Get water.

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I think that, considering his budget, a 30-30 is fine. I also disagree that in an home defense situation, a handgun is only a backup. There are several scenerios where I would choose a good handgun over a rifle. He has a decent rifle and shotgun; he needs a better pistol.

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The Inuits live in a SHTF situation all the time. One of their favorite cartridges is the 22 wmr. They take Alaskan game with the first shot 75% of the time. One of the main sources of income for the Inuits is polar bear pelts. They use a 22 wmr because it doesn't damage the pelt. They shoot the polar bear in the heart with a 22 wmr. Then they follow the polar bear until it dies. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes for the polar bear to bleed out and die. A 22 wmr puts 300 ft lb of energy on the target.

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world goes to sht one of my main guns will liekly be my lyman great plains 54cal blackpowder for hunting.

another one im counting on is my marlin 1895gbl as it is quite easy to load and functions well with blackpowder as well as smokeless. 45colt is the same way.

ive got a great loading setup including being able to mold my own bullets.

prolly the single best survival weapon is the ability to use a bow and arrow.

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